Featured A six part discussion of sanctification

Bro. Curtis

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Overall...I know what you are saying, however I do not think it is possible for no growth to take place, unless it was someone like the saved thief on the cross.

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.


and again here in 1 cor11;
1 Corinthians 11:32

But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

I believe all must...I do not see a scriptural option:wavey:

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originally Paul was answering this question from Chap 4
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

He was answering the question about those who believed but went through physical death...in Chap 5...he is speaking of light and darkness, contrasting believers and the world...we are of the day...they of the night

he is urging believers to be vigilant, everyday...he does that several times like here;
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

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I think it clearly points to the fact that when God saves his elect they are His...if we are alive or have died, if we are awake or asleep we are eternally His.

I do NOT BELIEVE Paul is inventing classes of Christians.
I want the awake Christians over here,
the sleeping Christians over there,
the comatose Christians over here,
the still born Christians somewhere else.
Christians who lie everyday over here,
cursing and drunk Christians over there...0

If any person is not growing in grace, and diligently following after holiness, they are no Christian at all.
They can walk an aisle, raise their hand,sign a card, rededicate themselves....all these fleshly tricks.
God disciplines all His children and works in each and everyone.

To encourage goats to externally conform, is not going to get it done.:thumbs:

 

kyredneck

excuse me kyred.... I spoke of both ....physical death, [1thess4]and the metaphorical usage [1thess5]...light and darkness, awake/asleep

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I have no problem with your paraphrase....he is urging them forward...not describing a settled condition.

 

Yeshua1

This is a false and unbiblical statement.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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Yes ...that is what I see the scripture teaching....God will cut someone off in the flesh before that would go on. The Spitit of God is active day by day in a real Christian.

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau,


I believe this verse means what it says.....without which...NO MAN... shall see the Lord.

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28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Kyred......there are means of grace that are ordained as much a part of our salvation as justification itself. If a professed Christian does not persevere in the faith, it gives evidence that they were false professors....

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

kyredneck

:thumbs:...not at all...I agree with 95%of what you post.
When we disagree I think we are not communicating well. I am stubborn and from up north trying to communicate with hill jacks from wv,[con1], rednecks and hill billies, from ky,and south Carolina, [you and OR,]and Ala...,and now Ga.

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No...you picked out the correct verses as usual,
I would use and defend Romans 13 and the positive law keeping as I have heard it taught...Law is loves eyes.