A Step CLoser to Civil War?

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  1. mont974x4

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    Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated. It’s true that Argentina’s politicians have been waging class warfare since Juan and Eva Peron–and they aren’t fazed when it turns bloody. Obama and the Democrats are relative newcomers to the game. But Argentina reveals who really suffers when those who create a nation’s wealth get mugged by those who spend it–as just happened this week in Washington.

    It’s the poor and the middle class, the very ones big government says it’s trying to protect.

    And sadly that’s where Mitt Romney had it wrong.

    That 47 percent of Americans who get unemployment benefits, Social Security disability checks, Medicare and Medicaid, and government student loans, aren’t the real takers. Like the rioters in Rosario, they’re just pawns in a perennial battle between those who see wealth and prosperity as something created by hard work, ingenuity, and innovation in a free market system–or something to be doled out by government.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ing-civil-war/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz2H28JuaoP
     
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    Totally Agree!!!:thumbsup:
     
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    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ing-civil-war/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz2H6dqysxu


    Moving closer all the time. this process could accelerate dramatically in the States when government tries to disarm the population.
     
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    If only we had a free market system.

    Civil war? I see it or something like it on the horizon. So does the government evidently. It's been stocking up on massive amounts of guns and ammo while working over time to take ours away.
     
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    You got any drones in your arsenal there Poncho?
     
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    I have a question for you though, "what military would raise their hands up to US Citizens in order to support a corrupt government"....please advise your thoughts.
     
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    Not answering for poncho, but for some reason(?), I can see UN forces with absolutely no reservations doing this very thing.

    And of course if there were no PRIVATE arms to challenge them, then the task would be a cinch.

    But hey, I'm just a cynical pessimist when it comes to expecting GOVERNMENT to truly look out for my (our) welfare!!!
     
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    I pity the U.N. forces that might get sent to Kentucky.
     
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    People don't fight to support corrupt governments.

    Me too if y'all chase em down into Tennessee. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Funny you should ask me that. I was just looking at some on Amazon. Have a look at these, think I should get a couple?
     
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    It would almost have to be UN forces. There is a huge movement among the troops, veterans, and law enforcement called Oath Keepers. They have publicly stated that there are several orders they will not obey. The main thrust is they will not disarm American citizens that are otherwise legal gun owners.
     
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    What are you going to do, hit them with your sling shot?
     
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    Yes, I think we are closer to civil war. I pity the states where few have private arms. That is not the case here.
     
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    They'll be among the first to be targeted by those who will follow orders.

    I doubt it will come to that for quite awhile, I hope. It's all going to be done incrementally. Here's how I see it happening.

    New Orleans after Katrina was a glimpse of our future. Go back and look at all the video and read the stories of what took place there.

    There has been a huge effort for some time to demonize patriots, conservatives, constitutionalists, war veterans, survivalists, peppers and gun owners. We've been painted as "ultra nationalists", "super patriots", "right wing extremists", "disgruntled veterans", "child murderers" and "gun nuts" in the case of gun owners.

    There's a whole list of government papers and reports that have been demonizing us going back a decade now. These have made their way to police forces all over the country as "training" aids.

    The U.S. military has been training along side foreign troops to confiscate guns and subdue Americans for at least 15 years. The police have been training as a military force and receiving military weapons going back even further. Now they've been federalized through the "fusion centers".

    We've been slowly conditioned to accept troops on our streets and even at sporting events. They make us feel safe. Good guys wear black face masks and carry German submachine guns.

    And now Janet Napolitano and DHS has begun setting up a "stasi police state" with the "see something - say something" campaign. The idea is turn us against each other.

    Divide and conquer.

    If the effort to take our guns through legislation fails Obama will try to use the ATF to outlaw semi auto rifles by reclassifying them as class II weapons.

    I expect to hear about more mass shootings in the meantime. I know most of you find it hard or impossible to believe our government would run false flag ops killing Americans to further an agenda. But I remind you we are not dealing with our government anymore. We're dealing with a government that has been hijacked by foreign interests and run by greedy power hungry sociopaths. Believe it or don't. That's up to you. Watch for tragic events that further the agenda. Look at how they are reported and used to restrict our rights and empower government.

    They can't all be coincidence.

    We'll see some type of false flag event or events that will be blamed on patriots, conservatives, war vets, constitutionalists . . etc. To ramp up the fear, suspicion and hatred of these groups. When that happens, people won't think twice about the POTUS using all the expanded powers he claims like warrantless searches, indefinite detention without charges or trial and of course targeted execution. People will weep and wail at Big Brother's feet... "keep us safe, keep us safe, keep us safe from the evil domestic terrorists" and Big Brother will be only to happy to oblige them.

    More divide and conquer.

    We'll all be terrorists at that point so we'll have no protection under the law. Due process is for our masters. Not us.

    From there on out it ain't going to be a picnic.

    I really hope you guys are right about me being a wacko conspiracy theorist because I would truly hate to be right about all this.

    But that's how it see it lining up in front of me. A martial law dictatorship has been set up through unconstitutional acts like the patriot acts, military commissions act, the NDAA (to name a few) and is being codified into law.

    The framework is there folks all it would take now is the right "emphasis" to begin the enforcement.

    But none of this is new news to you all . . . I've been here warning you about it and posting thousands of links to the actual government reports, documents, legislation, and white papers since 2004.
     
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    :laugh: If you folks seriously believe you can mount an armed force to support yourselves....more power to you. Could you however mention me in your will :laugh:

    With all seriousness if that was to ever happen, I dont believe the USMC would participate. I wont speak for the other branches.....but we are obliged to support the US Constitution....however if you see the govt attempt to dismantle the Corps, then you better get armed to the teeth.:cool:
     
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    Sure, I'll put you in my will. I'll leave you all my bills. :laugh:
     
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    How are you guys and those billions of dollars worth of high tech gadgetry and superior air and naval power doing against those cave dwelling third world sheep herders riding camels and donkeys around with outdated weapons and improvised devices? Last I heard your generals were saying you needed at least ten more years in theater. Evidently them cave dwelling sheep herders on camels and donkeys can mount an armed force effective enough to fight you guys to a standstill. What's up with that?

    Obliged to support the constitution? Aren't you guys the first in the fight whenever another unconstitutional war or police actions starts?

    No need to fret about us. In case you haven't noticed we Americans are already armed way better than the average cave dwelling third world camel jockeys the whole combined forces of the "international community" with super space age technology can't seem to defeat. We'll do alright even if you sit it out. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I don't think the services will revolt. What will happen is those who believe as the Oath Keepers do will individually stand their ground. We swore an oath to defend the Constitution, not the president, against ALL enemies both foreign and domestic. I think there's enough that hold to that belief to effect a sort of coup.
     
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    It would be a 1st to go against US Citizens correct....and you will have to ask the Rangers these days.
     
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