On another thread Benjamin stated: "Oh, I think you are totally full of mud in your purely rhetorical old hat responses that don't use one scripture in your so called "refute" of the scriptures I already posted. I'm busy now, but I might try to get back to some of your more obvious mistakes such as declaring inability to seek God later. Although, shouldn't be highjacking this tread with all that; why don't you open another tread, I'd be glad to post you a few scriptures to the contrary which show God commands us to seek Him and how that command is not just His idea pulling our pre-determined legs." So, here is the tread and the offer to post in support of his view to his heart's content. Remember, Benjamin, you are to support your view with scriptures that are in the context of surrounding verses. Not just pull them out of context like I showed you certainly did. Why don't you start with scriptures that would support the ability of anybody, anywhere, at anytime, in any condition to seek Christ without Christ first having placed the need of salvation into that person's heart. In doing so, be sure to refute such verses as: found in Matthew: Matt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Which is also found in Luke: Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. John put it this way: John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Paul stated: 1 Cor 2:11 For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.