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A Video Portrait Of Barack Hussein Obama

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Ps104_33, May 10, 2008.

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  1. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68 Active Member

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    I think this is indeed an important issue regarding Barack Hussien Obama, Jr. and it would, no doubt, shape his actions as President.
     
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    How so? The United States is not a theocracy. People were concerned about electing a Catholic as president in 1960 and we did not see the nation become more Catholic because of John F. Kennedy.
     
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    This perhaps suggests there's more interest in "Hussein" and its implications than "Diane" and its implications. Names do mean something to people and their origins can mean a lot. It's fair and reasonable to be concerned about someone with a Muslim name having a past, present, or future affliation with that false religion when being considered for President. In fact, I think Christians should be very concerned about it.

    Regardless, I think both Obama and Clinton would be nothing but bad news for our country if either one were to become President regardless what their names might be.
     
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    **Double Double Post Post**
     
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    Why? This is not a theocracy. Presidents cannot impose their religious beliefs on others.

    Our nation went through similar nonsense about electing John F. Kennedy as president - that the Pope was going to run the government. Guess what - it didn't happen.
     
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    I do not see the logic in this at all. Let's say that my father was a member of a crazy deluded religous cult which held to the belief that any children born into that cult cannot renounce their cult status.

    Does this mere declaration somehow deprive me of my free will to forge my own way in the world, including renouncing membership in that cult? Of course not.

    Likewise, Mr. Obama's values, mindset, and religious affiliation are in no way determined by some "rule" that makes the absurd declaration that if you are born a muslim, you cannot renounce the beliefs of Islam.
     
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    There is no logic in the statement you are referring to, Andre.
     
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    As we've discussed several times before, everything belongs to God Almighty and comes from Him. This includes our nation and its government. The religious protection we have - orginally in the federal government - was to insure that our federal government would not interfer in the people's choice of worship and did not establish a national church. This is completely different that viewing the choice of persons to represent us, to adminster the government, and to rule in our courts. We should try to chose qualified Christians for these offices. Viewing them as secular roles devoid of any impact of religous beliefs is dangerous and suggests that a person's beliefs - the foundation of thier belief - somehow doesn't matter when it comes to such roles. I think it matters very much. True Christian leadership will not result in the persecution of non-Christians nor the establishment of a national government sponsered church. However, leadership that has no foundation in Jesus Christ will ultimately result in the persecution of Christians starting with the secularization of all aspects of society extending from national to local government, then to private business, then to private organizations, and eventually to individuals. The goal is to remove Christ, the Trinity, and even God from all public life whether government or not. This permits to implementation of a host of social re-engineering ideas defined by man's desires verses God. That process is already underway and should be very evident to most everyone more than a few decades old.
     
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    How many presidents have we had in this nation that would meet the conservative evangelical definition of who is a Christian? Maybe a handful out of 43 presidents. Jimmy Carter would be the most prominent one yet conservative evangelicals vilify him today though they loved him in 1976.

    I vote for the person I want to fill a particular public office, regardless of his/her religious beliefs. Just because a candidate agrees with one's religious beliefs does not mean that he/she is the best person for that public office.
     
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    I have a couple of questions...

    1. If Barack Obama Sr. was a strict black muslim why would he have married a white athiest woman? Wouldn't that be against everything a black muslim believes in?

    2. Obama Sr. and his wife divorsed when Jr. was 2 years old. Sr. at that time moved back to Kenya and had no communications with the american family he left behind. How then did Sr. teach his son to be a muslim? Was it from his athiest mother?

    3. I hear some many speak of Obama spending two years in a muslim school as a child. This is when he learned to be a muslim. He also spent to years at a Catholic school. Is he also a Catholic? Why isn't the Catholic school mentioned in the same sentence?

    Edited to add this about the "Muslim" school...

     
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    This really is just an attempt to rationalize the cynical effort to tar Mr. Obama with the stink of Islamic fundamentalism, or to appeal to xenophobia. Your argument here seems to be that the voter needs to know what kind of background Mr. Obama emerges from. This has, at first glance, a ring of plausiblity to it.

    Until you consider how cynical and deeply misleading it would be for commentators in 1950's Germany to continually refer to some candidate as Franz Adolf Schmidt, even though the unfortunate Mr. Schmidt had clearly and unambiguously rejected the Nazi movement, images of which his middle name will no doubt evoke in the minds of the people.

    This is the way the world does politics. I suggest that the Christian has to take the higher road. And that road is simply this: Listen to what Mr. Obama says about his religious values and beliefs and observe what his actions say about him.

    Leave the smear politics to the world.
     
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    You and I both know the answer to this question - there is presently no emotion and fear-inducing "oomph" in pointing out a Catholic past as there is with a Muslim past in the post 2001 USA. And it is precisely this fear and distrust that are being leveraged whenever we hear the phrase "Barack Hussein Obama".

    We seem to hear nothing but "guilt by association" type appeals in respect to Mr. Obama:

    "His pastor is a whack-job so he must hold similar views......."

    "His middle name is Hussein, so this should make us wary of connections to Islam and, worse, to Islamic extremism...."

    If the man is such a bad candidate, why not attack him on what he has said and done and has promised to do?
     
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    I still disagree that concern over the middle name - more so the origins of that middle name - is unfounded. I think listening to what Obama has said and paying attention to what his actions have been is exactly part of what makes this concern even more valid.

    I also think that a candidate for President of the USA in the first generation after World War II with the middle name Adolf and of German ancestory would have been cause for concern. It doesn't mean that concern could not have been overcome but their would have been concern and rightly so. The same is true today with regard to a middle name of Hussien and some Muslim ancestory.

    I think it's incorrect to suggest that being concerned about these things is somehow not taking the high road of Christian discernment. We need to pay attention to all factors about a potential candidate for President.
     
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    The fear and distrust of the Muslim religion is a very valid concern for Christians.

    It is far more important than the Protestant fear and distrust of the Catholic religion.

    It is clear that we live in an age where any questions that can be made to run against "diversity" are quickly pounced upon with the intent to silence them.

    Again, I say an argument can be made that hiding Obama's middle name is more politically based that exposing it.
     
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    His former pastor, spiritual advisor, and member of his campaign openly and boldly preached black liberation "theology", tore apart America, and preached hate against whites in Obama's church of 20 years. Yes, there's some guilt by association here and reason to be warry.

    His middle name is Hussein because his father named him so and his father is Muslim and he was exposed to the teachings of this false religion that advocates the destruction of Christianity during his youth. Yes, there's some guilt by association here and reason be warry.

    Aside from all this is the political record of Obama as yet another liberal Democrat loaded with socialist ideals. Yes, there's some guilt by association in that as well.
     
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    But where is the proof of any of this? You mean A practising black Muslim would marry a white athiest? He left home with Obama was 2. This school he went to for two years, it has been shown to be a public school in a Muslim country. Where is the proof he was ever exposed to Muslim teachings?
     
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    I hope that the anti-Obama faction on this board will pay as much attention to the background of Senator McCain as they are to that of Senator Obama. However, I am not optimistic that they will. After all, Senator is like them - white and attends a Baptist church. No, I figure they will only be concerned for the next six months about a black man with a non-white sounding name who doesn't attend a Baptist church.
     
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    Your logic is so easy to see, only a willingly blind person can't see it. The problem here is that many don't want to admit you are correct. Because Obama is a democrat, the die is cast by many here and they are only using any opportunity to discredit this fine man. Luckily, most rational thinkers in this country see this type of attack for what it is.
     
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    I dont know that he is a Muslim nor a Christian for that matter. And I dont care one way or another if his middle name is used.

    On the other hand I doubt there is any objection to him being a Democrat. I know plenty of conservative Dems. The clear objection to Obama is he is a liberal, and a socialist/communist.
     
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    Pastor Mitchell, you appear to consider anyone even the slightest bit to the left of Attila the Hun to be a socialist/communist. :laugh:
     
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