A women who is a little person and deaf starting a church, opinions?

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  1. mattjtayl

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    I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on how well they think this church could prosper. My girlfriend does not want to start this church, because she insists under the bible the man is suppose to lead and women are not suppose to be ministers. After much convincing she is willing to minister after all if I minister with her and I am ahead of her church.

    I got this idea about a year ago when I first started dating her. A lot of people see men ministers, but a women who is a little person( 3' 10") and deaf who is a minister now that is something most people aren't use to seeing. People are attracted to something that is unique, and this most definitely is unique.

    The great thing is she wasn't born deaf, became deaf at age 22. So she can speak english as well as you and I. She also is fluent in American Sign Language and has a national certification in it which I am told is the hardest certification to get. So I was thinking she could give oral sermons while signing so both hearing and deaf people could enjoy her sermons.

    She really doesn't want to be the minister, she thinks only men are allowed to under God. She doesn't seem to understand though I am not a novelty to look at and am just a man like every other minister in the US. How many 3'10" deaf women ministers are there in the US? She is a novelty people will want to flock to see her minister.

    I also think she could be a bestseller author, and make a lot of money off of her books . I could never be a bestseller author, but she could. People will want to buy self-help , spirtual guidence books from a minister who might be one of a kind in the whole United States? She could testify how God has lived in her life and worked his miracles in her life. It is rather amazing she is still alive with the 20+ surgies she had done to fight the effects of dwarfism on her fragile spine and skeleton.

    She insists she doesn't want to make any money off of this ministry that it is only for God, but I try to tell her it's perfectly acceptable for ministers to make a living off of their church. She barely makes enough money now to prevent herself from becoming homeless.

    So what do you think, think the church could be a success ?
     
  2. donnA

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    I see a lot of problems here.
    One she is right, women are not to be preachers and give sermons to men.
    Seems you are trying to talk her into it, God hasn't told her to do anything you have.
    you want a gimmick to attract people with, an oddity, like a circus freak show, and you found it in this woman, according to worldy standards. Isn't the gospel of Jesus Christ enough? Is it insufficiant? It's been working for 2,000+ years.
    People may flock to 'see' her to look at the freak show, but this means nothing in eternal salvations.
    Make money off her books? So thats at the heart of it isn't it, make money.
    Worldy speaking, you might have some success, people will obviously pay to 'see' anything. But successful in spiritual terms, I guess that depends on how you define spiritual success in ministry, I can guarentee it isn't gimmicks and money. And you yourself when speaking of success only talk about gimmicks and money.
    this church would be a mockery and fraud.
     
  3. Beth

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    What Donna said

    The only thing I think I might add is the OP just has to be a hoax.
     
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    Is this a real basis for starting a church?
     
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    I think you are on the right track here, your absolutely right, a woman preacher is not the norm and then trick it up. I am sure there would be a lot of people coming to the church, which could only result in church members who would eventually be tithing, therefore the time and initial investment would begin to payoff. I think it sounds like a good idea. The only thing you would be missing is a clown to lead the music and possibly tight rope walkers to pass around the collection plates.
     
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    Hahahahahha:laugh:
     
  7. mattjtayl

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    Well she is excited too about doing this. I am not putting her on stage for some "freak show" that everyone seems to think. I love this women and I would love to start a church together with her. I am putting her up on stage because I think she can do a real good job, a much better job than I could ever do. She knows the bible backwards and forwards and can stand toe to toe with just about any minister arguing scripture. For years she has been converting people to christianity online and writing her own "Faith Writings" newsletters she sends to her friends. They absolutely love it. When they heard I had suggested she become a minister they encouraged her on and thought it was an excellent idea.
     
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    I agree that it is an excellent idea, if you would like to build a church based completely against the word of God, which is what you are planning.

    The title of the thread suggests you are USING your "wife" as a gimmick to draw people to the church, much like pizza night for youth or movie night for young adults, except the lure will be used in a direct position of leadership. Good luck with your new lure and your fishing hole.
     
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    How about finding a church that is working where God is working and is in need of a deaf ministry? That way you both have the resources, the ministers and the congregation already in place.

    We had a woman who felt a tremendous burden for the deaf community yet she didn't even know sign language! Our pastor told her to learn sign language and pray on it. Well, it's now many years later and our deaf congregation is now running around 50 each Sunday. They attend the regular 9AM service where there is interpretation by this very woman and a few others, and then they have a service at 12PM where one of our pastor preaches. That woman is the woman who heads up the ministry under the authority of our pastors and it's met a need that many in the area have had. We now even run a deaf conference and training for others to start deaf churches.

    So I'd highly recommend finding a church that is feeling the need to minister to their deaf but do not have a person to do that. What a blessing it would be to have someone come in and say "I can help"!
     
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    I don't believe a woman should pastor a church. But putting that aside, is she being called to do this by God, or by you?
     
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    Does anyone find the title of the thread a little odd?

    It doesn't say, My Wife feels like she is being called by the Lord to minister and for us to start a church.

    It says hey, a little person preaching and she is deaf, what do you think about that.
     
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    She's not his wife, she's his girlfriend.

    I must ask, is this for real?
     
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    Willie... I seriously don't know what to think about this. This is like Radical Protestantism x5. Not only does he not call this person his wife, but he treats her like an attraction. "Come and see the godly, deaf. midget who knows the Bible very well!"
     
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    BUt you first said this....
    so which is true?
    then why would you want to use her like this? Your describing abuse.
    Sounds like she already has aministry God has given her, and no one had to coerse her into doing what she didn't want to do.

    Friends, and man who says he loves her trying to talk her into disobeying God. She needs more godly people in her life.

    In the op he says
    So it isn't God lead, it's man lead, and apparently according to his posts it's for money not to serve God.
    She sin't even his wife, which means it isn't too late for her to get rid of the man trying to use her as an oddity to make money.
     
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    You said:

    People may flock to 'see' her to look at the freak show

    I don't know whether this is a bona fide post but if it is I would pray to God that he might forgive you for making this statement. Is this what you think of "special people?" My mother taught the deaf for 30 years and started a sunday School class for them at our church. I grew to understand how difficult their lives were and to admire them and my mother greatly because of what they wer able to accomplish against all odds. SHAME ON YOU for calling this person a freak. She's just as much one of God's children as you are, probably more.
     
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    what are you talking about? It certaibly isn't about anything I said. he is treating her a s a freak show, people will come out to see her look at her, as if she is an oddity, this is what he is describing, this is what HE is saying. I was disagreeing with him that she should not be treated as he intends, and apparently you agree with him, it's ok to treat her as an oddity, and if shes a freaks show attraction, people come and look at, gawk at, as long as they bring moeny, which seems to be his focus as he talked of nothing else. I did not call her a freak, I gave a name to what he is planning on doing to her.
    So what are you talking about, he is the who is offensive to any christian, or should be, wanting to parade this poor woman for money. And you defend his actions!
     
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    And just what do you think you mean by this? You are saying I am not a christian, challenging my salvation. This is totally ungody, unchristlike.
     
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    Donna, it takes two to tango. Let it go. You know what you said and you know where you stand. The majority understood what you were saying. Soon this thread will disappear into the archives and life will go on as usual.
     
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    I have to agree with donnA on this one. She was NOT describing her view.
    She was describing how it seemed this young man is planning on presenting his girlfriend. That HE is seeing her as an oddity to which people will flock to see her "minister" because she is unusual.
     
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    Is this the same girlfriend that doesn't want to give anything to her church because she only makes $8000? (according to the thread you started last week)....

    I smell a little schemer! I don't know if it is you, or her... but something is fishy... "I think I will Start my own church, That way I don't have to pay tithes and people will pay me!"

    Pray, set things right with God... first... then ask God's direction... He will show you all.
     

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