http://aaron.thriftyplanet.net/IR1.htm I didn't follow a lot of the article because I hadn't read Twit's work... So, I couldn't understand some of what Aaron was talking about or against... However, all Rock Music is not: Some is... All is not... There are some rather pretty tunes even from the worst of the bands... ("Beth" by Kiss comes to mind as a possible candidate...) In some sense though I am not sure we shouldn't have a musical platform in which the express anger at the devil and protest his enslavment of people... But, is this "church" music... Well I know an old Sunday School tune that was pretty violent, "And, if the devil doesn't like it he can sit on a tack!" I mean complete with motions and forceful expression... So, I am not at all sure an outright denounciation is proper... Unless we revisit some of our Sunday School tunes and even some of our old Hymns... Granted the lifestyles of secular music (not just Rock) promote hedonism. But, I have never heard a single lyric by Petra; Rez Band; or even Styper that did so... Nor, have I ever heard a complaint against the testimony of Petra or Rez Band... So, while absolutely correct in regards to secular music... I disagree with my brother Aaron that it neccesarily applies to CCM... Secular Rock is evil not good... Lastly, I am not at all sure we can divorce "Fun" from Joy... Ie., The Pleasure Component of Joy... Consider these few scriptures: Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures. Psa 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore. Psa 36:8 They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures. We *are* warned against: 2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; So we *can* make 'fun' an idol over and above God... This we must gaurd against... But, being Saved should be 'Fun' in that, if for no other reason, we are set from from the bondage of sin... In short we should seek Jesus First... If we have fun doing it all the better... But, if our fun becomes the priority... We'd better "Face The Wall", repent, and seek Jesus all the more... Mike Sr.