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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by free2know, Dec 9, 2001.

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  1. free2know

    free2know New Member

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    Hey folks! I am very excited to tell you all that your fears of the Liberal church preaching dead meaningless things and involved in unmeaningful liturgy,....isn't the case at my church!

    Today the salvation plan was clearly presented in Sunday School and tied to the meaning of Christmas, after all, didn't Christ come to save us, this is why he was born, the reason for the season. This was re-enforced in the church service folks!

    And people were baptized, yes fully dunked, and the children were clearly understanding of what they were doing and why! We had an adult too and they knew exactly what they were doing.

    I hope some of you realize that us liberals aren't too far apart from you concervatives in what matters most...that being the gospel message and baptism signifying the profession of faith. [​IMG]
     
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  2. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by free2know:
    I hope some of you realize that us liberals aren't too far apart from you concervatives in what matters most...that being the gospel message and baptism signifying the profession of faith. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It depends on what that gospel message entails ...
     
    #2 Chris Temple, Dec 9, 2001
  3. free2know

    free2know New Member

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    I was IFB for 10 years and I believe we share the same gospel!!!!!! Trust me!
     
    #3 free2know, Dec 9, 2001
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    Free,

    I even preached on sin and Hell today! Advent is a good time for IFB's to come visit our liberal baptist churches.

    Joshua
     
    #4 Rev. Joshua, Dec 9, 2001
  5. free2know

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    Amen Pastor J.! We had a good packed house too! Lots of people there to see the baptisms and the ones who are always drawn back right around the Advent to Christmas season. I sure am hoping we encouraged some souls today, I know I was encouraged! [​IMG]
     
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  6. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by free2know:
    I was IFB for 10 years and I believe we share the same gospel!!!!!! Trust me!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    ...which is...?
     
    #6 Chris Temple, Dec 9, 2001
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by free2know:
    I was IFB for 10 years and I believe we share the same gospel!!!!!! Trust me!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I was IFB for more than a decade and I can tell you that the gospel was nowhere to be found. Depends on the church largely, although I have had experience with many IFBs, and few (if any) have been Biblical ones.
     
    #7 TomVols, Dec 9, 2001
  8. Pennsylvania Jim

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    free2know, on the basis of what you posted regarding your Sunday services, your church is not a liberal church.

    Why do you call it liberal?
     
    #8 Pennsylvania Jim, Dec 10, 2001
  9. free2know

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    Ok folks, my understanding of the gospel is based on the "Romans road" used by my old church, also John 3:16..... the need to recognize Christ came to save sinners, all have sinned and are separated from God, we need to realize we are sinners, accept Christ's sacrifice on the cross, repent, we are saved by grace through faith, NOT BY WORKS, etc. Christ is our mediator... our way to be reconcilled to God. Am I getting this right so far... i could put the verses and references in, but I am pretty sure you all know them by now.

    I guess I get the "liberal" connotation from my old church.... our (my new church) theology isn't liberal, but I believe that our dress standard is, compared to my old church...women can wear pants, etc., we can listen to modern music now, etc. You may have a point if I am including things in the definition of Liberal that I shouldn't be. But if liberal is the freedom from legalism, than I am liberal.
     
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  10. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by free2know:
    You may have a point if I am including things in the definition of Liberal that I shouldn't be. But if liberal is the freedom from legalism, than I am liberal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Freedom from legalism is not liberalism but GRACE. ;)

    Galatians 2:15-20 (ESV)
    We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; [16] yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
    [17] But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! [18] For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. [19] For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. [20] It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
     
    #10 Chris Temple, Dec 10, 2001
  11. DocCas

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    The American Baptist Churches USA is a member of both the National Council of Churches and the World Council of Churches. Both organizations are apostate and ecumenical. It is, in my opinion, a beginning of the "One World Church" of the Antichrist.
     
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  12. free2know

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    This is not a shot at T.C. but just out of curiousity, what if your church had a huge, huge revival and looked to be soon the only church in the world...would your church then be the one world church of which you speak? Probably not something that one would ordinarily think about...is it [​IMG]
     
    #12 free2know, Dec 10, 2001
  13. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Mr. Cassidy does bring up a very important point about the NCC and WCC. The rest...well, we'll have to wait and see how history progresses. I can't argue with him on that anyway because he has a pilot's license. ;)
     
    #13 Pennsylvania Jim, Dec 11, 2001
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