This is a subject that has come up in a variety of ways. Is creation/evolution an A/non-A proposition? Here is part of this discussion from the Evolution and Time thread: Originally Posted by tragic_pizza Are the only choices between an evolution free of Divine origin and an absolute, six-day, Genesis-style creation? Helen: In the long run, the answer is yes. Either naturalism is the rule of things, or God is. If God is, then He told us how He did it. tragic_pizza: to limit God to having acted within the confines of one of two literary/oral traditions is a bit short-sighted. Helen: here for this thread. The way I see it is that either mass/substance has existed forever and ended up forming intelligent life which in turn created the concept of a divinity, or, conversely, that God existed forever and created mass and us. That part is certainly an A/non-A proposition. If there is an alternative I would be fascinated to hear about it! The crux of tragic_pizza’s comments and question, however, has to do with, I think, trying to combine the Genesis account with the long ages evolution requires and atomic dating seems to indicate. Regarding origins, which tragic_pizza specifically refers to, since evolution is based on the presupposition that everything in our physical world has a natural/physical cause, then yes, there is a distinct choice to be made between God creating the first life and abiogenesis, or life from non-life. Many evolutionist apologists argue that origins is not part of evolutionary arguments. But they really cannot escape the fact that if they are going to claim naturalistic causes for everything, they cannot escape abiogenesis. The alternative to distinct, biblical creation is the on-the-fence idea of theistic evolution. That is the idea that God started it all off, front-loaded cellular structure to be able to mutate into all the forms we see today, and then let the natural forces alone after that. There are two basic problems with this compromise: first, the Bible specifically denies it and second, we see nothing like that happening in our world today. What we see is that basic types, or kinds, can vary within themselves, but that there is no evidence of any kind indicating a switching from one sort of organism to another sort. So that I why I told tragic_pizza that “In the long run… Either naturalism is the rule of things, or God is. If God is, then He told us how He did it.” I would be interested in responses.