Abolition in America

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  1. Nevada

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    What do you all think are the prospects for the death penalty? From what I've been reading, the limits put on it continue to grow.

    I suppose I'd better own up to my thoughts on it: I oppose it. Deciding who lives and dies is more a task than fallible humans should take upon themselves. But, let's focus on how its use widens and narrows, waxes and wanes, in the USA.
     
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    If the penalty is to be death then those subscribing to the death of the person should also complete the sentance by taking the life....I suggest a wall and a firing squad.
     
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    I have never once seen a good or reasonable argument against the death penalty.
     
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    Neither have I. Particularly in light of this:

    Deuteronomy 17, NASB
    6 "On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. 7 "The hand of the witnesses shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. So you shall purge the evil from your midst."​

    We don't require that witnesses attend the execution, but if they are convinced the accused is guilty, I see no reason they shouldn't. By the same token, in this day at age, fingerprints and DNA can provide evidence the killer is guilty, and of course they will be present when they stick the needle in his arm.
     
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    In this day and age no evidence or trial by jury is needed. If the president says you are guilty and deserve to die. That's it you die. He's already executed at least two American citizens to show us he can do it.
     
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    As you can imagine, this has been debate several times on this board. Actually the death penalty predates Moses and is a commandment:

    Genesis 9:6 (KJV) Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
     
  7. Nevada

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    The arguments in favor of executing people usually come from the Old Testament. Not the New.

    http://conservativesconcerned.org/
     
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    What's the best arguement you can find against it the new testament?
     
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    Oh, it carries into the New Testament also because Paul says that the government has the right to the sword and Jesus did not overthrow the Law. What is sinful is to let murderers go unpunished after they attack the image of God, that is, they murder another person.
     
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    Thou shalt not kill -- especially the innocent..

    So you are in favor of capital punishment even thought we now knonw there are innocent people on death row. DNA has proven people innocent and those folk were released.

     
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    I'm in favor of trial by jury where the accused is allowed legal representation. It's not a perfect system as the jury is made up of imperfect humans but it's a much better system than trial by president.

    How many innocent people has Obama put to death with his drone program?
     
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    MOre liberal babble that isn't on point. No innocent man has ever been put to death, despite the insane crapola put out by the Innocence Project and anti-death penalty activists. They lie, you repeat it, pretty soon people believe it, even though it just ain't so.

    So they weren't put to death, were they? So they aren't germane to your support of Barry Scheck and his project.
     
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    For the record, the correct translation of the Hebrew in modern English (taking into consideration that the KJV English has had the meaning migrate on some words) is Thou shalt not murder. Executing a murderer is not murder. If the police kill someone in a police-action shooting, that is not murder either.

    The commandment is against murder--check a dictionary and get an accurate translation if you don't believe me.
     
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    Note, I added of the innocent and we now know that in the past innocent people have died being sentenced to death in error. The release of innocent people through DNA proves that. It is tragic that DNA was not available to save people from conviction and to convict people were were found innocent in error.
     
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    No it doesn't. But it does feed your personal narrative.
     
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    The law for Israel in 2000 BC was for that society at that time. This is the United States and the year is 2013. The two have no connection. The only connection to the New Testament and law, or in this case, the death penalty, is that we are commanded to obey the laws of our nation.

    The reason I have no problem with the death penalty in our country is that extreme care is given in carrying it out, and is usually reserved for the most barbaric crimes. We are not talking about robbing a 7-11 and something goes wrong. We are talking about cold blooded, premeditated murder, usually in the multiples of victims. Even after conviction, appeal after appeal at the state and federal level delays the execution for decades.

    For those of you that are against the death penalty, what would you have sentenced Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, Donald Gaskins, John Wayne Gacey, and Jeffrey Dahmer?

    Yes, in those extreme cases, the death penalty is demanded. I am not for the death penalty for any other crime, like the ones listed in the OT such as talking back to parents. Our land would be barren.

    By the way, for those who are against the death penalty in total, there are 18 states that do not have one.
     
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    Life in prison is a death sentence ... just quite a slow process. And, it does give an innocent the possibility of being found innocent through DNA at a later time.
     
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    Life in prison is not as terrible as the death penalty and that is the reason that murderers plead for their lives when faced with the death penalty. (The most recent example was Jodi Arias, who begged for her life on tv after first saying that she wanted the death penalty.) The only one punished by life sentences for murderers are taxpayers who have to support the huge expense of keeping a criminal alive and hoping that some cheap politician does not turn him loose.

    Also, it is wrong to confuse the Jewish theocracy with the commandment given to Noah, which, as everyone knows, predates the Jewish theocracy. The Law was not overturned by Jesus, Who said that He came to fulfill the Law.

    Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
     
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