Abortion and a Godly Nation

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  1. Gina B

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    Let's face it, abortion is a hot debate topic. People argue up one side of it and people refute them all the way down the other. Many efforts are made on both sides to prove that life begins at such and such a time in the conception/growth process.

    The problem with this is that we simply do not know for sure, and never will. What separates a human being from an animal is not our size, or appearance, or age, but our souls. When did you become uniquely you? When did God create your soul and impart it to your earthly being?

    I can't answer that. Your parents can't answer that. The government can't answer that, nor can the answer be provided by science.

    What I can tell you is that science has intruded on a sacred process, and we now can see for ourselves how physical bodies develop. Instead of standing back in awe and wonder at such a miracle, the reaction seems to be "Aha! We've figured it out, there is no more mystery, we're so intelligent." In his confidence and pride man forgets that there is only One who has complete knowledge, and man begins thinking "If I'm this intelligent, surely I can say for certain what is right and wrong, true and false, sin and righteousness, merely on my own cognizance."

    In other words, we forget God.
    We forget that we do NOT know it all.
    What happens when we forget God?
    We forget how sacred life is.
    Where does that lead us?
    It leads us to where we are today, performing thousands upon thousands of abortions without knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not we are committing murder.

    We're willing to take that chance on children, but when it comes to a murderer himself we must be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is guilty before we sentence him to death. If even one juror disagrees, the decision is not made. In abortion, the percentage of disagreement is much higher, yet it continues, on and on, yet many do not so much as blink an eye when paying taxes to fund a government that condones and approves of this. We pay the dues, go about our lives, and lift hands stained with blood up to heaven and ask God to bless our nation.

    I, for one, find it very odd.

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  2. g_1933

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    Hopefully with the election results the pro-life bills will now get through.

    With the way this nation is heading and the things this country supports and allows we are far from a "Godly" nation. I pray that America will turn to God and our leaders will seek His face in their decision making.
     
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    The greatest impact of this election won't be new legislation. We really shouldn't expect anything big in that way. The impact will be with Bush's judicial appointments which should now start moving through the Senate. Although its probably not realistic, I would love to see him re-nominate Pickering from Mississippi.

    If a couple of the Supreme Court seats would come open in the next two years, we could see some real progress on abortion, religious liberty, and education.
     
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    Hi Gina [​IMG]

    The soul subject has popped up in several threads and I believe some of your question may be answered by the following scripture verse.

    Genesis 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    It doesn't say God "gave" man a soul - it says man "became" a living soul. You may, or may not agree. I for one believe life begins at conception. But really, there's not much use in folks hotly debating the issue - God knows.

    In Christ - Jim
     
  5. Loren B

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    Thanks Gina,

    GREAT POST !!!
     
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    While I agree with you, C, and appreciate the post, I am skeptical about the new election results and how they affect abortion and right-to-live issues.

    The new senator in Missouri held strongly to it and upset the incumbent democrat. But here in Dick Cheney's home state (74% republican) elected a pro-choice liberal democrat over a pro=life sleazy Republican. Sad.

    God is in control. His plan is still unfolding. But we have a work to do as well . . .
     
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    Sisters in Christ,
    I think the way to stop abortion is two-fold. First we must be on our knees praying. And second let us help at crisis pregnancy centers. If you can't volunteer your time please give money or baby and mom items. They need your help, they are in the phone book under abortion alternatives.
    I used to get so depressed every time I thought of abortion or heard professing Christians standing up for abortion. But, then I realized that I can help maybe one baby. I can help one mom by supplying her physical needs so she does not feel she has to abort. And that gives me some peace because the problem is too big. If all the professing Christians donated just a small amount to these centers they would have all they need to do the work they do.

    HCL
     
  8. donnA

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    A very good post Gina.
     
  9. Walls

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    Hi Gina,

    Your post was very good. I especially like the way that you raised a very serious issue in a loving way, which will enable us to consider this and not just to brush it off.

    The Bible has much to say about the babe in the womb and the shedding of innocent blood. As Christians we should take heed and not support it. I for one believe Thou Shalt not Kill and that is what abortion is.

    Unfortunately what is taught in the schools is that a fetus is not a baby until it is full term and leaves the womb. For many years, I believed what I had been taught. What a shame! God's word is being denied at every level. Let's wake up!
     
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    "…President Bush's judicial nominees will sail through the Senate. Don't expect a wave of constitutionalists to take the bench, however. Most of Bush's picks will reflect his own moderate views. Some will be more conservative; most won't be. You won't be able to tell much difference in the end.

    Bush could get at least one Supreme Court pick. In all likelihood, that choice would be Alberto Gonzalez. For one thing, Gonzalez is a Hispanic, and Bush is salivating over the opportunity to be the president who puts the first such person on the nation's highest bench. However, conservatives who believe Bush is going to straighten out the court on the life issue should know that Gonzalez is anything but pro-life. He is the man who wrote the Texas Supreme Court decision allowing a minor girl to have an abortion without her parents' permission. He even went so far as to help sink fellow justice Priscilla Owen's opportunity to be confirmed by the Senate to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of appeals by ridiculing her position requiring parental notification for underage girls seeking abortion as "an unconscionable act of judicial activism." This was all the excuse Democrats needed to reject her. In other words, a Bush court will do nothing to overturn Roe v. Wade….

    From: http://covenantnews.com/baldwin021107.htm
     
  12. Gina B

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    Thank you Walls. [​IMG]
    (Gina makes mental note not to show the not-so non-offensive webpage I put it on)
    Gina
     
  13. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Gina,

    Great post, and yes, the inconsistency is very real.

    You stated that abortion is a "hot debate topic". How true. I think that the reason such inconsistencies can thrive is that so many view abortion as little more than a debate topic, or, in the case of politicians, an "issue".

    Observations like yours come from examining the subject with a desire to really undersand it. Too few, IMO, do so.
     
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    VERY true about people seeing it as little more than a debate topic PA JIM!
    And you know what? In a way it IS understandable, because the thought of a real live human growing inside of you is something a lot of us women don't even comprehend until we actually have our first child, so it's gotta be even harder for men to grasp. The images and knowledge that science can give us SHOULD be very enlightening, but perhaps it sounds to technical to most and only serves to help them say they don't understand it all, making it less real.
    Just a few thoughts, but I really do think that if people really thought about it and looked at the products of abortion they'd change their minds. I've yet to run across a person who ten years after the fact was happy they had an abortion, or even comfortable with it. :(
    Gina
     
  15. Pennsylvania Jim

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    I have a childhood memory (maybe about 8-9 years old) of my father's uncle bringing pro-life litreature to our house. It was before roe v. wade, when abortion was illegal. Anyway, I remember him sitting talking about how horrible it was, and having pictures.

    He was an old man, and never had children, never having married.

    I guess my folks kept the discussion away from me, being young, but I remember afterward asking my mother what he was talking about. She told me that he was talking about "abortion" and of course she had to explain to me what it was. As plain as day, I remember replying to her (I remember this almost word for word) "what's wrong with that, it's just a piece of something". Without much explanation, she assured me that there was more to it than I understood.

    The point is, I think you are correct that it's not necessarily obvious. You have to learn about it, or in the case of parenthood (motherhood especially), experience it.

    Amazing that the one so concerned was my dear old great-uncle, who never had a wife or child.
     
  16. JCLWRB

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    GREAT POST
    I AGREE THAT ABORTION IS WRONG BUT THIS STATEMENT KINDA BOTHERS ME
    I DONT BELIEVE MY HANDS ARE STAINED WITH BLOOD BECAUSE I PAY TAXES WHICH IS SOMETHING WE ARE FORCED TO DO. MAYBE YOU COULD BETTER EXPLAIN THAT STATEMENT TO ME CUZ I DON'T GET IT.

    :confused: :confused: :confused:

    [ December 06, 2002, 04:34 AM: Message edited by: JCLWRB ]
     
  17. Gina B

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    If you help promote it with your silence, approve of it by withholding your vote for leaders who stand against it, you are guilty.
    Gina
     

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