Abortion = Mixed Blessing?

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  1. Ivon Denosovich

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    I know abortion is wrong because it is murder. (When I say it's wrong I mean in the moral, theological sense.) However, considering that aborted children likely go to Heaven, and considering that the Church isn't really doing a great job of sharing the Gospel, could this be a scenario like religious persecution... it's in our best interest even though it's wrong? It appears to be in the eternal best interest of unwanted children. It is hard to believe that Christians who wouldn't walk across the street to spread Jesus would be apt to drive down urban blight looking for unwanted statistics to witness to.

    I'm not defending or advocating abortion. But I wonder if from God's sovereign view of things if it's in our best interest to lose this fight. Again, I would liken it to perseuction of the church. Wrong? Certainly. The will of God for the greater good? Who's to say...
     
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    God can take anything bad, and turn it around and make something good from it... He takes messes, and makes messages...
    I think this is what you are really hitting at.

    And I feel this is one thing about God that drives Satan mad!!! Satan never wins! For when he thinks he does, God pulls the carpet out from in under him.

    But I could never call abortion any type of blessing...anymore than I could call a bank robbery a blessing if the theives gave the stolen loot to the church!
     
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    The bible refers to the unborn as infants and children. Therefore, children and unborn children are equal in that sense. Children are also called blessings.

    If we aren't to kill the born children, we aren't to kill the unborn children.

    And though maybe the majority of BBer's here likely believe the unborn automatically go to heaven, we do not know this for sure. I know there is or was a post on this subject.
    I must take off for now...
     
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    Watch out.. I see a C/A debate coming on!!
     
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    Does that mean I can't comment? :laugh:
     
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    Whether it's a 'mixed blessing' all depends on whether the unborn get a ticket to heaven or not. And that's another debate.

    Maybe they go to purgatory?




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    You may not know for sure but I do.
     
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    It would normally be much safer for the mother if we would kill the babies after they were born instead of in the womb.
     
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    Like you wouldn't if we told you not to!!!
     
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    1. You right in assuming that God can turn, and ofthen does, an evil for good according to His will (Gen. 50:20; Joseph and his brothers).

    2. But this is downright murder and often abortion leaves the women is a mental mess. We must consider the women and not just to unwanted babies.
     
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    It might be in the best interest of unborn children to slaughter them because of a misperception of the lack of evangelsim?

    Did I understand this correctly?
     
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    [open sarcasm] yeah...after all, God doesn't always know what He's doing when a woman conceives. We need to help Him out a bit. [close sarcasm]

    God has a reason for every conception. Who are we to tell Him He doesn't know what He is doing?
     
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    Yeah, Ohhh...K :confused:
     
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    I've heard this argument used in reference to suicide. If life on earth is terribly bad and Heaven so terrifically good why not kill yourself? Let me say that I believe that we're here for a purpose and I reject both arguments.
     
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    Amongst the Canaanites...

    parents sacrificed their children unto Ba'al Moloch...

    and they were explicitly told, word for word, verbatim...

    that their children would ascend to 'heaven' with Ba'al Moloch.


    Does anybody hear me?
     
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    blessing for who? the person who was murdered? or the person who does not have to take care of their child but who legally murdered them?
     
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    I know this topic brings out many emotions and might sound offensive, but I doubt it was the OP's intent to stir up such responses. Lets look at it logically (with a few assumptions) without being offended by discussing something as obviously wrong as abortion (if that's possible)...

    100 people are killed before birth and all 100 of those people go to heaven.
    100 people are eventually killed after birth and only 5 of those people end up going to heaven.

    Since there's (presumably) a guarantee of salvation for everyone who is aborted, and a minority of people who are not aborted will likely never accept Christ (and will go to hell), isn't there just a tad bit of a blessing there even amongst the horrible reality that lives are being snuffed out? I think that was the intent of the direction of this thread by the OP.
     
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    Why do Baptists believe in Believer's Baptism??

    It is b/c all are born dead in trespasses and sin, all are born children of Wrath. No Baptist baptizes their infants b/c there must be evidence of regeneration. In the words of Dr. Tom Nettles

    We believe people are born dead in trespasses and sin. We believe that people are by nature children of wrath. Even our own children. That is the reason Baptists don't baptize infants, because we cannot see any marks of regeneration in infants. There must be a hearing of the Word, and a Faith in the word, there must be the experience of a new birth before we can the mark of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ upon them. There must be a testimony that is a credible testimony of a work of Grace in their hearts.

    Infants cannot qualify for this.

    So, how do you say that infants are guaranteed to go to heaven?

    This is ridiculous.

    Don't kill your kids. (How about Ex 20:13?)
     
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    There is no blessing at all in abortion. A life (and all its potential) is lost, and another one is destroyed. We should be working harder to reach both mother and child, instead. I will never understand why some women choose abortion, when there are just so many other options available.
    That is some seriously dangerous type of logic that is trying to find some good in such a horrific act. Why test God by saying, "Well, abortion can't be all bad if at least the unborn child is eternally saved?".

    love,

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