Abortion : should we admit exceptions ?

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  1. HankD

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    Oh, Matt, did you go to Catholic School?

    We had a nun we called Sister Mary Hitler.

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  2. HankD

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    Yes, even with the 11, we had 2 miscarriages.
    We'll see them in heaven.

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  3. Matt Black

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    :laugh: How did you guess?! We didn't have nuns but we had mad priests and monks who were deemed by the diocese to be psychologically unfit for parish work...so they put them in charge of teaching boys - what could possibly go wrong?

    "Fatal beatings all round, chaps!"
     
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    Quote: unless you went to the same school as me...:eek:
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    I think all English public schools were the same in England at one time. The master walked in with cane in hand ready to "teach". We even got the rod if we dared to hold pen in left hand in my Church of England school.

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  5. Matt Black

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    And then there was Father Bourne who was an excellent shot with the chalk....not to mention the blackboard rubber....ouch!
     
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    This will be the last time I say this. If the choice came down to saving the life of the mother or the child, that is not abortion in the sense you are using it. It is not being used as birth control, and it is most certainly not murder...so I have not broken any rules. Your view of me not being saved for holding this view is in violation of BB rules, but your arrogance will not accept that. That is a works salvation, btw.
     
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    No, no. That was Father Anthony. He could hit you with chalk before you even realized he turned around from the board. He was scary.
     
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    I remember a nun who was so old, it was said that when she referred to a personal relationship with Jesus, she was speaking literally.
     
  9. Matt Black

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    That must have been the one I knew who said that she never married because she was 'saving herself for Jesus'. I just remember thinking 'poor Jesus - hasn't the poor guy suffered enough already'!
     
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    There are no exceptions to abortion that would not amount to a conscience decision to take one innocent life - unable to make decisions for themselves - for the benefit of another who is. The cause of the pregnancy - even if by terrible cause or with potentially terrible consequences - is not material to the decision to abort or not from the perspective of the unborn child. Either way the unborn child is murdered without even the chance of its first breath. The so-called "exceptions" are generally nothing more than attempts to rationalize the arbitrary "don't wants" of selfish potential parents thinking only of themselves.
     
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    So you're saying that removing an ectopic pregnancy is scripturally wrong?
     
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    Ectopic pregnancies? Is it right to kill one joined twin in order to save the other? Is it right to commit the mother to the grave to save the child? Is it right to commit the child to grave to save the mother? Does one right justify the other wrong? Which is more important to God or to man? Is it right because it hurts both physically and emotionally? On what basis do we decide such a thing?
     
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    You do realize that an ectopic pregnancy is a pregnancy that can not survive. The child is doomed. Now the choice is do we try to save the mother or not.
     
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    I take that is a yes?
     
  15. Spear

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    Some time ago, there was a thing about two kids tied by the body in UK, sharing organs, and both would die if they weren't seperated by surgery, in which case only one would survive after the operation.
    I asked our pastor on sunday, what he thought about that, because it was a big debate, even in UK, where parents didn't want the children to be seperated for religious purposes.
    The pastor told me " Sometimes, as sad as it is, between two bad, you have to choose the less " (so that at least one of the kids survives).
     
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    Yes, most people know what an ectopic pregnancy is especially given how often this is thrown out as a justification for abortion!

    Centuries ago people didn't know a lot of things that think they do today concerning medical science. They had to deal with whatever God caused or permitted to happen to them.

    Not everything in this world has answers to the human mind or heart nor are they things we even like. Some people think they've got the issue of ectopic pregnancy all figured out and their solution is a simple one. I wonder what we will learn in another century.

    Somehow though we keep thinking we know it all and have all the answers. We think we should be in control.
     
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    Sophie's choice lives on in the minds and hearts of some! Who wants such a choice? Not me! Is it even the norm or the most common issue surrounding abortion? No! Yet it sure does get plenty of attention. Rationalization is a powerful deception. I pray the Lord give us the strength to accept neither wrong and never rationalize such an evil concept as killing one innocent unborn child to just save its mother.
     
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    That is not stated in the rules. The rules say "abortion", period, with no distinction.

    It is indeed murder. The Bible makes no exception for this kind of case: you cannot just make one up, because you like it.

    Again, the board rules make no exception as to the "type" of abortion.

    A mystical, magical rule, that exists nowhere except your own imagination. Here, let me test it:

    Jehovah's witnesses are not saved.
    Mormons are not saved.
    Muslims are not saved.

    I will be waiting to see if I am admonished by the moderators. Since I have not broken ANY rules, stated ANYWHERE....I think I will be waiting a long time.

    No, my ability to read will not allow me to accept it. You do not make up reality, by wishing it so sir. The rules are silent on this point.

    No, it's not. It's called the changing power of the Holy Spirit. We do not serve an ineffectual, powerless God.
     
  19. TomVols

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    An outside Moderator's requested opinion.

    I'm new to this discussion, but it seems the question has been tossed on the floor as to whether or not it is against BB rules to question the salvation of a member or group on the board. Yes, it is against BB policy. While not explicitly stated in the rules, it has been deemed to be a violation of #2 and #3, and is an actionable offense, leading to warnings, suspensions, and banishment. While not technically in the letter of the rules, I don't think anyone would question that it violates the spirit of them.

    Any further questions should be directed towards a BB administrator.
     
  20. annsni

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    I'm not looking for any "justification" for abortion since I personally would choose to give my life for my child if I needed to. Heck, I was willing to lay down my life for a man I didn't even know back on Memorial Day. I was willing to do so because I didn't know this man's heart and his stand before God but I know where I'm going. I was the only one who would help him because everyone else was afraid to. So I'm certainly not looking for justification for convenience sake.

    Centuries ago, one in three children died before the age of two. Should we just deal with whatever happens to our children and let them die? Should my friend have just let her 1 lb. 5 oz. son die because God caused him to be born 13 weeks early? What if your wife has cancer? Would you just let her die because God caused the cancer or permitted it to happen? You cannot use that argument properly unless you say "yes" to each of these scenerios.

    Our only treatment right now is to either terminate the pregnancy or be watchful and ready to catch it when it naturally terminates itself by rupturing the fallopian tube and put mom immediately into surgery, remove the pregnancy and try to save the tube so she can have another pregnancy - and not die right now. I do pray that someday in the future, there would be a treatment that would allow the pregnancy to continue to result in both a healthy mom and baby.

    Far from it. Having an ectopic pregnancy is one of the most difficult things to happen to a woman. Especially a pro-life woman. To know that this child will not make it is devastating and to know that she will die without treatment is even harder. Without ever having been pregnant yourself or having your wife experience an ectopic, you have no idea what it's like. Believe me - it's not a cut and dry thing to ANYONE'S heart or mind.
     

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