about the pope

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  1. massdak

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    i read >> death by thomas boston and it reminded me about the pope, an excerpt>>>>But few men arrive at that length of life. Death does but rarely wait, until men be bowing down, by reason of age, to meet the grave. Yet, as if years were too big a word for such a small thing as the life of man on earth, we find it counted by months, Job 14:5. "The number of his months are with you." Our course, like that of the moon, is run in a little time– we are always waxing or waning, until we disappear. <<<<

    he goes on to say it is more strange that we are more natural in the grave then up walking being made from dirt. but when i think how many people called the pope holy father and how a pope can change the doctrine to universalism, i wonder what will he think now, as i am sure he has raised up his eyes to find his destiny.
     
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    The pope is just another man, and he is a sinner just like the rest of us. I don't know his spiritual condition when he died....I can only hope he was saved, but his press to get Mary elevated to "co redemptrex" scares me. JESUS is the only Saviour we need or will ever have.

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  3. Victoria

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    Am I the only one out there who thinks that the mourning for the Pope has gone way overboard? I know he was important to Catholics but that is all that is on the news media. Haven't seen any local news in 2 days. As the ancient Romans used to say "REMEMBER YOU ARE ONLY A MAN".
     
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    "Am I the only one out there who thinks that the mourning for the Pope has gone way overboard?"
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    No. I strongly suspect that a lot of journalists were very greatfull that he died at this time. Lately it has been cucumber season for the press. I suspect that Terri Schiavo also got more coverage than she normally would have received.

    dcorbett
    I owe you an apology. I always believed that the movement to get Mary promoted to co-redemptrix didn't really exist. Well I was wrong.
    http://marymediatrix.com/cor/
    http://www.catholicsource.net/articles/coredemptrix.html
    :eek:
     
  5. Victoria

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    Yes, and poor Prince Charles has had to postpone his wedding to his paramour in order to accommodate the Pope's funeral.
     
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    http://www.marymediatrix.com/kb/kb7/11.shtml

    "The Rosary, in addition, is the prayer of devotion to Mary, of devotion to Her who is “the creature most conformed to Jesus Christ”, as St. Louis Grignon de Montfort says. Hence, the Rosary is the devotional prayer which “most consecrates and conforms a soul to Our Lord”, in the sense that a soul only becomes more Christ-like to the degree it becomes more Mary-like, or as St. Louis Grignon, cited by the Pope (n. 15), teaches: “the more a soul is consecrated to Her , the more it will be consecrated to Jesus Christ” (On True Devotion, 120).
    If in fact the Immaculate is the “Mold of God”, the matrix of Christ, then only the person consecrated to Her and therefore immersed in Her and likened to Her, will find himself “in Christ”, wholly and perfectly made Christ-like. The most complete likening to Mary, then, brings the most perfect likening to Christ. And it is precisely the prayer of the Rosary, the Holy Father teaches, which uniting us to Mary “helps us to grow in this conformation to the very utmost limits of holiness” (n. 26). These are perfect “conformity” to Christ, according to the loving plan of God (cf. Rom. 8, 29).
    - Marian Vow and Rosary
    If, then, it is certain that the Marian Vow entails being totally immersed in the Immaculate and in being possessed by Her as her “thing” and “absolute property”, this means that, living the Marian Vow, or immersing oneself in the “Mold of God” in the womb of the Immaculate to the point of being transubstantiated into Her, the soul finds itself wholly and perfectly made Christ-like, as St. Maximilian so clearly teaches when he affirms that “in the womb of the Immaculate the soul is reborn in the form of Christ” (SK 1295)."

    It was reported last night that in his (Pope JPII) final hours he said he was looking forward to meeting Mary who would escort him to heaven.

    Take it for what it is worth. I (personally) suspect that JPII was disappointed/horrified the second he took his last earthly breath.

    In HIS service;
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  7. Victoria

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    It was reported last night that in his (Pope JPII) final hours he said he was looking forward to meeting Mary who would escort him to heaven.

    Take it for what it is worth. I (personally) suspect that JPII was disappointed/horrified the second he took his last earthly breath.

    In HIS service;
    Jim [/QB][/QUOTE]

    So sad. What deception!
     
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    Poor Charles! He is going to have to wait a little longer before making his affair with his mistress legal.
    Mary was only the mother of Jesus. After Jesus went into heaven Mary just seemed to vanish. So sad, but it seems like the Pope was deceived too.
     
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    Poor Prince Charles, is a soon to be head of a competing church. He truly is bringing this upon himself.

    As for the final fate of the pope. There is an old saying among the Dutch Reformed.
    When you go through the pearly gates you will witness 3 miracles.
    The first miracle is that you won't meet certain people whose place in Heaven you were certain of.
    The second miracle is that you will meet people that you were certain of not to be in Heaven.
    The third and largest miracle is that YOU got into Heaven.
     
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    Dear Mioque,

    What do you mean "competing church"? I don't think that is in my vocabulary.
     
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    Some see the English Catholic (Anglican) and the Roman Catholic as "competing".

    I see them BOTH as fraught with terrible errors.
     
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    "competing church"?
    As in rival church. Charles is going to be the head of the Anglican Church some day.

    Dr. Bob
    As a solid orthodox Calvinist Fundamentalist baptist, you think that of most churches.
     
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    As a former Anglican I agree with you.

    As a Bible believing Christian I don't feel I am in competition with anyone.
     
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    I was truly saddened to hear that when the Pope died he said something to the affect that he had put his faith in the virgin Mary. Hmmmm. after her time of purification from Jesus' birth--I doubt that Mary was still a virgin. From what my Bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters (half-brothers and sisters of course--but siblings nonetheless).

    I admire Mary for allowing the Lord to use her as a vessel, but she was flesh and blood just like the rest of us and needed Jesus as her Savior as well.

    Guess I'm preaching to the choir now...
     
  15. mioque

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    "As a Bible believing Christian I don't feel I am in competition with anyone."
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    Usually that lasts untill you run into other Bible believing Christians, who somehow hold completely different ideas than you do. Like KJVO's, strident Sabbath keepers and extreme Landmarkists.

    Songbird
    The pope's last words were apparently, in this order, with some unspecified time period between them.

    'I am happy... you should be.'

    'Let us pray together with joy to the Virgin Mary in whom we entrust everything faithfully.'

    'I have looked for you. Now you have come to me. And I thank you'

    "Guess I'm preaching to the choir now... "
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    As long as the choir wasn't secretly hoping for : "Aargh..aargh, the demonprinces they are coming for me, I should never have sold my soul to Asmodeus!", I'm happy about the choir.
     
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    The good news (for us) is that the pope's last statement, "I have looked for you. Now you have come to me. And I thank you", apparently referred to the young people in the crowd outside.
    Because if it referred to his previous statement, "Let us pray together with joy to the Virgin Mary in whom we entrust everything faithfully." and he wasn't hallucinating, most on this board are in a great deal of trouble. :D
     
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    "I use only the King James Version of the Bible."
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    I for obvious reasons (look at the bottom of my posts) don't.
     
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    Mioque,

    Having used most of the other versions during my Christian life, and studied the version issue I am happy with the KJV. As I said, we can agree to disagree in Christian love. [​IMG]
     
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    Good for you Victoria, nothing to beat the old KJV. As the saying goes, "if it were good enough for Paul, its good enough for me"!
     

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