About Todd Akin

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  1. Salty

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    About Rep Todd Akin - for you conservatives who think he should end his campaign - do you complain about Obama always using a tele- prompter
    For you liberals who think Akin made a dumb statement - have you ever thought what dumb things Obama would say without a tele-prompter

    Just saying......
     
  2. steaver

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    I dont think Akin said anything to warrant this attack on him. I know what he meant by legitamit, he was excluding statatury rape which is mostly between teenagers and twenty something year olds who are consenting. I don't know why the republicans went all out on him. Must be something else they didnt like about him.
     
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    Observe who wants Akin out and who wants him to continue running:

    Out- Republicans.

    Continue- Democrats, especially Claire Mccaskill.
     
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    I think their motive in wanting him out is the possible negative effects on Romney's uphill fight to win.
     
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    They want him out because She is a sure thing to beat. Since this comment he is not likely to beat her.
     
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    This was not just a "dumb statement". It was a statement - supported apparently by a lot of people, including Huckabee - which revealed the man's ignorance of the female body and of what constitutes rape.

    I started a thread already and had to leave it because it was asserted that young girls who experience "statutory rape" are "whores" and "the Bible says so". And not one man on this board who read those words came to the defense of young women who are intellectually, spiritually, mentally, or emotionally manipulated by older men into having sex. "The Bible says that they are whores". The statement still stands on that thread.

    The man claimed that women who are raped cannot get pregnant - that the female body can distinguish between friendly sperm and foe sperm. "A woman's body can shut those things down".

    And what is "legitimate" rape? Is it something opposed to she-had-it-coming rape? She-was-asleep/unconscious-and couldn't-say-no rape? They-were-making-out-already-and-once-you-get-to-second-base-she-CAN'T-say-no rape? She-was-16-and-he-was-45-ergo-she's-a whore rape?

    This wasn't about a gaffe or a slip of the tongue. It was about an attitude of disdain for young women old enough to "know better" and a profound ignorance of where babies come from.

    I don't see why people can't see that.
     
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    Scarlett, you are absolutely correct. Rape is rape no matter how a man wants to waffle about it.

    It was a stupid statement on the part of the person who made the comment. I do not remember who it was. I noticed he did not say what it made the man. It seemed to me just another attempt by some males to avoid responsibility of such men's immoral actions.

    The man claimed that women who are raped cannot get pregnant - that the female body can distinguish between friendly sperm and foe sperm. "A woman's body can shut those things down".

    Again it is simply men wanting to avoid responsibility.

    I totally agree. Should not the men know better? And yes it shows a profound ignorance of sexual reproduction.

    Scarlett, far too many men do not want to see or acknowledge their responsibility, but want to blame women.

    In face a woman's body does not shut down as research indicates the opposite may be true. Read the article referenced below:

    Remember the first words Adam spoke when God confronted him was "The woman made me do it."
     
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    But you are getting into opinions rather than factual evidences.

    I didn't see it, but for the record, I say rape victums are not whores and I doubt the bible says anything different, at least I have never come across that one.

    You said quite a bit more than what Akin said. You are injecting your own interpretation of his words. Maybe he could explain it better than you have, if you would be willing to consider.

    There you go again, filling his comment with your own interpretations. When I heard his satement for the first time I knew exactly what he was reffering to. We have laws on the books which call consentual sex between a boy friend and girl friend "rape" if the boy is 18 or over and the girl is 17 or younger. The scenarios that you have listed would be "legitimate" rapes. Our satutory laws need some reform.

    I don't think it was a gaffe or slip of the tongue at all. I clearly understand what he meant by legitimate rape and as far as the women's bodies having a way of shutting down to rape, well that may be stupid unless he has some kind of scientific evidence, but it doesn't justify an assault on the man.

    If you really consider all you claim he said, well, we are not to bear a false witness you know? You have gone way beyond what the man actually said and have declared it is what the man believes. This is itself a sin. no?
     
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    Because you are describing something that didn't happen. You are twisting things in your own mind and bearing false witness, but that's okay, because you're a woman.
     
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    THe pontifical meanderings of the chief leftist apologist and abortionist on this board is like the pot calling the kettle black.
     
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    Akin is obviously not a medical doctor. That being said I doubt that many men are particularly knowledgeable about the biology, emotions, thinking of women.

    As the father of two daughters and four granddaughters I would never refer to a girl who had undergone statutory rape as a whore. Bad things happen, to young girls and young boys! I would also note that there are a few on this board who would make the Pharisees look like libertines!

    This was obviously a stupid statement. I suspect that it was the result of him trying to defend his position on abortion which, as I understand, was there should be no exceptions other than the life of the mother.

    Rape implies force. I believe that was exactly what Akin meant; differentiating forcible rape from statutory rape.

    You make the distinction quite eloquent, though perhaps a little overblown.

    I don't think it was the slip of the tongue but it certainly was not an expression of disdain for young women. That is the same lie that the democrats have been peddling for years!

    Have you ever considered that you are too involved emotionally. Or perhaps you are like some of the I am more righteous than the Pharisees on this board and have condemned this man to the fire just as they did the young women in the thread you started
     
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    This was UNNECESSARY and completely without merit. Opinions are valid, interpretations are valid....accusing someone of something "because you're a woman" is out of line. You may not LIKE Scarlett's opinions, and that's okay, but discuss her opinions and leave it at that.
     
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    You misunderstand. Kinda have to board this train at the station.

    It's the politics of women. They can do, think or say no wrong, and if they do, it's because they're victims.

    Rape and aboriton are political these days.
     
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    You're assuming that Scarlett is accurately relaying the statement.
     
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    WHY is it that when women are steadfast about something we're considered "too involved emotionally"? I understand what the hoopla is about..."statutory rape"...but gentlemen, Akins did NOT use the word, "statutory." You may have understood that's what he MEANT to say, but that's NOT what he said. What he DID say is offensive to women, who have been accused for generations of crying rape, for "asking for it" by dressing in a way that attracts men of that nature, or for walking alone, etc.

    Keep to the topic and skip the personal assumptions. I mean, I could turn around and say that you're a blind, ignorant male who doesn't understand the workings of the female body....it's best to keep personalities out of it.
     
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    Rape has nothing to do with right or left wing politics. Are are you saying that your right-wing politics approves of rape?

    Also I would appreciate if you would stop falsely say I am an abortion supporter. I have repeatedly said I am against abortion. I will accept an apology from you for your false statements.

    Perhaps you are simply trying to derail the thread as you see you are defending an indefensible position, the approval of rape. Right?
     
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    I didn't misunderstand one bit. Your statement was quite clear. Believe me, I've read everything on these topics....just chose, until now not to voice an opinion (as I believe ALL abortion is wrong, in ANY case).

    I do NOT believe that women can say or do no wrong, and Mister I am FAR from a victim...EVER.

    Rape is NEVER political. It's ALWAYS personal. Ask any woman (or man) who has been raped. Bet you never thought of men being raped. It's degrading and very personal.

    Abortion is political...it shouldn't be. It's a moral issue. Of course, our government ceased to have moral values a long time ago.
     
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    I see. I am an emotional and lying female. Thanks for the heads up.

    Having worked with young people over the years, I have born witness to several between the ages of 10 and 15 who were not physically forced into sex, but were emotionally, spiritually, mentally, and intellectually manipulated into it - by their fathers, "friends of the family", and others who were all over 40 years of age. In each case, there was no physical force, but the manipulation lasted for a long period of time.

    By all appearances, the young people (I am thinking of two boys and three girls) didn't not "fight back". But they were manipulated into believing that the men "meant no harm" and "loved them".

    Until you have worked with these teens who have been manipulated like this, boys and girls, their gender is irrelevant - I guess some people do see them as culpable for the action of the grown men.

    But these were legitimate rapes. Statutory as they were - they were legitimate.

    I stand by what I said. I believe that I interpreted what he said pretty darn closely. And neither my gender, my feelings on the matter, nor my words, which are not lies, disprove what I said.
     
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    I'm embarrassed that you feel that its okay to sit behind the security and anonymity of a keyboard and say these things. It is clear few of the graces of Christianity have settled in your heart. I pray grace and mercy for you.
     
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    OK? :confused: It was a phenomenally dumb thing to say but how does it rate all the emotion?

    And I would like to see the statement from Huckabee that he supports that. Do you have a link?
     
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