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Abraham and Genesis 26:4-5

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by HankD, Jan 15, 2009.

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  1. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    Modern Talmudic Judaism claims 613 mitzvouth (commandments) in the Torah (1st 5 books of the Bible).

    I certainly didn't mean that.

    But prehaps he had some writtings preserved from the families of Seth or other believers in Elohim which had some "guideleines" as to sacrifices, tithing and other elements of "Torah" which became included by the Spirit (but not because they were written down by believers) in the later codified and inspired portion of the Word of God called the Torah humanly authored by Moses.

    No doubt the Spirit of God was with Abraham and perhaps even in him on occasion (I don't know) so he knew "intuitively" many things about God and had a heart to obey and please Him.

    Also God calls him a prophet (nabee) in Genesis 20:7.

    This is the first time the Hebrew word "prophet" (nabee) is used of a man.
    Although Noah is called "a preacher of righteousness" in 2 Peter 2:5.


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    #61 HankD, Jan 18, 2009
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    Amen- general revelation is ^

    Special revelation= salvation
     
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  3. Allan

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    Please show the scriptures that talk about this 'special' revelation and what it is/how it is different?

    There is a difference between general and specific revelation. General being sin, righteousness and judgment. And specific being being the gospel that explains sin, righteousness, and judgment in relation to Christ Jesus.

    We find the General revelation in Romans 1:18-32 being given by God Himself (via the Holy Spirit) concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment to come. And they knew and understood it but rejected it and traded truth for a lie.

    As opposed to 2 Thes 2:10-12 which speaks specifically about those who reject the truth that could save them. That truth is and will always consist of sin, righteousness, and judgment in relation to and of Christ.
     
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  4. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    Well I have always differentiated between the two as general revelation being evidence of God that is available to everyone – the creation vs special revelation being specific information about God revealed to specific individuals, i. e. the Bible. Now special revelation like the Bible can still be passed around and shared with others.

    What Romans 1 explains to us is that general revelation should lead to special revelation. As Fred said general revelation is inadequate to save us, the gospel is not there, just enough for us to know that God is there and we need to answer to him. Rom 1:21
    explains to us that because the world rejected the general revelation the special revelation was not give to them. The opposite is also true. From the dawn of creation God has rewarded those who did acknowledge him with that special revelation. Heb 11:6 tell us that
    The reason that the wicked are without excuse in Romans 1 is that because if they had responded to that general revelation and sought God he would have revealed the full gospel to them.
     
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  5. Allan

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    Agreed, Amen, Preach-on Brother! :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Twice in the Old Testament (one in Joshua 10:15) the book of Jasher is mentioned. There is a book you can find on line that is titled the Book of Jasher. Some scholars believe it's the one, others doubt it.

    At any rate, it's an interesting read. In one part, Terah, Abram's father is the commander of King Nimrod's armies. Nimrod has a dream that a child born to Terah will replace him, and order's Terah to kill his son. Terah hides his son & wife in a cave, substitutes another dead baby. They are hidden for several years. Then Abram goes to live with Noah and Shem, who teach him of Jehovah God.

    Yes, Noah and Shem were contemporaries of Abram.

    So before God ever spoke verbally to Abram, he already knew a lot about him, and possibly had already placed his faith in Jehovah.

    Is this a true story? Don't know. But some of it is quite fascinating.
     
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  7. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    Looking at the genealogies of Genesis it says that Noah lived 350 years after the flood and Shem lived 502 years after the flood. Adding up the dates of his fathers Abraham was born 292 years after the flood so his lifespan intersected Noah's by 58 years and Shem actually lived past Abraham.
     
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  8. OldRegular

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    It has been some time since I read Dr. Henry Morris' commentary on Genesis but I believe he states there were written records before Moses.
     
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