Abraham's Bosom

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  1. tfisher

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    If O.T. saints went to Abraham's bosom when they died, where did Abraham go? What about the people before Abraham? :confused:

    I'm not trying to say that they didn't go there, I really am curious because I am not that familiar with the subject.
     
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    If O.T. saints went to Abraham's bosom when they died, where did Abraham go?

    "Abraham's bosom" is anatomy, not geography. The natural reading of Luke 16:19ff is that Lazarus, having died, is being embraced and comforted by Abraham in the afterlife, whereas the rich man is in torment.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Consider that every Parable Jesus spoke was based on factual events. Each one of the Parables of Jesus could happen.

    If there were no such place as Abrahams Bosom, Jesus would be bearing a false testimony, which He could not do, because He was without sin.

    Soul Sleep of the dead is an interesting Seventh Day Adventist teaching, but after studying it carefully, my conclusion is that it is not correct.
     
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    But there is such a place as Abraham's bosom. It is somewhere in the region between Abraham's armpits and Abraham's belly button. [​IMG]
     
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    Is Abraham's Bosom an intermediate state, place or was it part of Jewish folklore? Please read what Josephus has to say about Abraham's Bosom, the length of stay..and then relate it to the delay of Jesus in healing the brother of Mary and Martha.

    Cheers,

    Jim

    [ January 24, 2003, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Jim1999 ]
     
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    As much as I disagree with Ransom, that is actually pretty darn funny.

    However, Abraham's Bosom (aka Paradise) is where people in the OT that died with a good report went to await the blood of Christ to pay for their sins so they could be allowed to enter into the presence of God in Heaven.
     
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    However, Abraham's Bosom (aka Paradise) is where people in the OT that died with a good report went to await the blood of Christ to pay for their sins so they could be allowed to enter into the presence of God in Heaven.
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    soul sleep? There is an intermediate state of being?

    The Jewish thinking about Abraham's Bosom was that of a temporary waiting room, as it were, of no more than three days duration, at which point they would enter into God's presence. Not all Hebraic thoughts are translated to truth, but what they conceived it to be. Only the New Testament brings light to the eternal state of being.

    The essence of Jesus' teaching in Luke 16 has less to do with the eternal state as it does with man's acceptance of the truth whether a man rises from the dead and preaches or not..even with a resurrection they will not believe.

    There remain doubters even shortly after Jesus' resurrection....there remain doubters to-day despite the truth of God's word. This is what the gospel of Luke is saying, and we ought not to get all tangled up in the eternal state and its conditions by this passage of scripture.

    Cheers,

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    Jim, I don't see your bottom line. What do you believe?

    btw, Abraham's Bosom wasn't soul sleep. It was where their souls went because their sins had been forgiven, yet were not paid for by the blood of Christ. Since no sin can be in the presence of God, they had to go somewhere until their sins were paid for.
     
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    The Harvest said:

    However, Abraham's Bosom (aka Paradise) is where people in the OT that died with a good report went to await the blood of Christ to pay for their sins so they could be allowed to enter into the presence of God in Heaven.

    In other words: Purgatory.

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    no no no, please don't misunderstand me. i do not believe in purgatory. catholics believe that purgatory is a place where people go to burn off their own sins. abraham's bosom is where people went who's sins had been forgiven, yet were not yet paid for. purgatory is believed to be a place of punishment. abraham's bosom was a place of rest and comfort, a desirable place to go and await the coming messiah.
     
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    According to Jewish teaching, a soul is only allowed to remain in Abraham's Bosom for three days. Where do they go then? Or do we disregard the Jew's teaching?

    The Bible gives no definitive teaching about Abraham's Bosom and leaves us to speculate. Since Jesus has already paid the price on the cross, does this mean there was an instant transportation of all the Old Testament souls to heaven? Where is this taught in the scriptures? More speculation?

    The bottom line on what I said was exactly as I said...the passage in question is not about eternal destination, but the question of people believing if only someone from beyond spoke to them, and Jesus said they wouldn't. Simple as that.
    Cheers,

    Jim

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Jim, I think this is a silly argument. Mormons teach that you can become a god when you die. Does that make it true?

    1 Peter 4:6 For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit
     

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