Abraham's Seed

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  1. Ztheberean

    Ztheberean
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    How can believers say that they are of Abraham’s seed, IF the devil is their father? (Jn 8:38); Those who ARE of Abraham’s seed/Christ can DO the works of Abraham (8:39).
    JESUS did the works of the Father, NOT His work, (Jn 10:32), so this means we are to be into (learning how to) do God’s will, NOT “OUR OWN” will, because God says “OUR” will IS evil (Jm 4:13 and 16).

    THE WORKS OF ABRAHAM ARE DEFINED AS: HEARING THE TRUTH, AND NOT BE AGAINST IT (JN 8:40); In “our own will be done”, we (are not into the truth) because IT (the truth which needs to be in us) is NOT in us (Jn 8:44); We know this because believers (who are in their will be done) cannot understand the word of God (8:43).

    Why is this? These believers don’t have God as their Father (Jn 8:42), because they are in “their own will be done” they are stuck in lusts, and they cannot abide in this truth (Jn 8:44) consequently, because they can’t HEAR these words of God, they are NOT of God (Jn 8:47).

    This is why it is said that the truth needs to be worked into us by God (by taking the time to hear it and meditate upon it) so that it’s light (of knowledge) could come out of us (Jn 3:21); Without which all we have is a belief in Jesus while under condemnation because we are in evil “self-motivated” deeds (Jn 3:19 and 16).

    CAN YOU HEAR JESUS CALLING YOU TO COME UNTO HIM THROUGH THE YOKE (OF REPENTANCE, - JER 31:18-19) SO THAT YOU COULD LEARN, SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW?? (MATT 11:27-29)

    If so, then you know that this yoke IS “easy” (to come and hear while asking God to make you not be against it) because THIS call (to come and hear to learn) IS light (Matt 11:29); Meaning, the light is the knowledge which is in the glory of God (at work in our life, NOT our work), AND in Jesus Christ (2Cor 4:6).

    The gospel of Christ without this light is upon those who are blinded by the god of this world (2Cor 4:4) (this is because they are into “their own will” be done more than God’s will); These are the believers who have the perverted gospel because GRACE (God at work) is removed from their gospel, and God says that these believers ARE cursed because of this removal (Gal 1:6-8).

    BELIEVERS WHO HAVE THE FEAR OF THE LORD, HATE THE EVIL IN ALL OF IT’S PRIDE, AND ARROGANCE (OF “THEIR OWN WILL BE DONE”) (Prov 8:13-14)

    Are you ignorant of all these things? (Rom 1:13)

    ARE YOU INTO WHAT “YOU” ARE DOING, OR WHAT GOD IS DOING??

    Those who receive mercy from God are not handling the word of God deceitfully, because they can manifest the truth (which reveals the grace of God at work;- Col 1:6) and which truth is NOT about preaching about “OURSELVES” (in what we can do), but Christ, AND the “power of God”, which is not of us (2 Cor 4:1-2, 5 and 7).

    DO YOU KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE “LIE OF THE DEVIL” IS THAT “OUR OWN WILL BE DONE” IS GOOD?? (Jn 8:44)

    This is why it is said by God that only “wretched believers” who still have “their own will” present within them CANNOT perform anything good, so this is why they need DELIVERANCE from God (Rom 7:18 and 24), so that JESUS would not spew these wretched and blind ones in the church, out of His mouth because they are lukewarm (Rev 3:15-17 and 22).

    DON’T LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT DISOBEDIENT CHILDREN (WHO PROFESS TO KNOW GOD) DO NOT HAVE THE WRATH OF GOD UPON THEM!! (Eph 5:6)

    Only wise brethren can reprove the unfruitful works (self-motivated deeds) of darkness (ignorance), which they have no fellowship with (Eph 5:11); These wise ones are of the sincerity that is OF God and in Christ (because they don’t corrupt the word of God) (2 Cor 2:17).

    The truth reveals the grace of God at work which love can rejoice in (Col 1:6, 1Cor 13:6); The anointing is the teaching of this truth, which teaches us HOW to abide in Him (1Jn 2:27). IF the word of God abides in us, the love of the Father is in us, so that we can DO the will of God (1Jn 2:14).

    DO YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE DOCTRINE OF GOD IN CHRIST SO THAT YOU CAN DO THE WILL OF GOD?? (Jn 7:17 cf Heb 6:1)

    In order to have true biblical understanding (which is called the holy;- Prov 9:10); we need the word of God taught unto us with meaning (understanding), Paul said that it IS better to have “FIVE” words of understanding than to speak “ten thousand” words without meaning (1Cor 14:19).
     
  2. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Ztheberean,
    "This is why it is said by God that only “wretched believers” who still have “their own will” present within them CANNOT perform anything good, so this is why they need DELIVERANCE from God (Rom 7:18 and 24)... ..."

    GE:
    This was what Paul in these Scriptures has said about himself - saved by the grace of God. Paul gaurantees us that there is no such knowledge or experienced in anyone who did not receive this, saving grace --- that grace whereby CONFLICT between man's will of his old nature and God's willing in him, has been brought about.
    Do you find this CONFLICT within yourself? Then know that God has been merciful to you, and this is the Law of sin and death operating in the innermost being of life of the redeemed ONLY. No one not so visited by the Grace of God will have the old man and sinful nature of and in himself, combatted to in the end have it eradicated -- like as Paul said, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death (IN ME)? I thank God: Through Jesus Christ our Lord."
    Read this together with 1Cor15:54-57, "THEN, SHALL, be brought to pass the saying (of God's Word) that is written, Death is swalloed up in Victory" --- the Victory of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who thus RULED over sin and death - was the Law of sin and death ABOVE sin and death. "O death, where is your sting? Ograve, where, your victory?" See it destroyed in and by Jesus Christ in and by HIS resurrection from the dead. "The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin, IS THE LAW" --- 'The Law Who pronounced this Law of sin and death: "The soul that sins, shall surely die!"
     

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