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  1. billwald

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    From the header:

    If your answer is anything other than, "Yes I'm absolutely certain that my sins are forgiven and that Heaven will be my home,". . . .

    Is 90% certain sufficient? I'm not absolutely certain abut anything because by brain isn't wired that way. There is a 0.0001% chance that we all only exist in a computer program.
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    I'm game. [​IMG] Maybe I do exist only as a very
    complex computer simulation. I'm still 100% sure
    that my sin-points have been reduced to
    zero and that should i run out of
    life-force-points, i'll be immediately present in cyber-heaven.

    :D
     
  3. Ben W

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    So Bill in general terms, are you confident that your Sins are forgiven and that Heaven will be your home, if it comes to a Yes or No answer, which is it?
     
  4. John Gilmore

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    If we look for certainty in ourselves, we find 100% doubt. If we look for certainty in the external Word, we find 0% doubt.
     
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    I am 100% sure of my future in heaven.
     
  6. billwald

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    I'm approx 90% confident.
     
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    I am only 100% sure because I have 100% confidence in the Word of God.

    If I were dependent on me I would have about 0.000005% confidence :( .
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    A man said to Jesus in
    Mark 9:24 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible)

    Immediately the father of the boy cried out,
    "I do believe! Help my unbelief."
     
  9. John Gilmore

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    [​IMG] Even a weak faith justifies if it tries and wants to lay hold of Christ. Philippians 3:12: “I apprehend, or rather I am apprehended by Christ”. Galatians 4:9: “You have known God, or rather have been known by God.”
     
  10. billwald

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    "I am only 100% sure because I have 100% confidence in the Word of God."

    I was 100% sure until I went to Bible college (also took courses at a Baptist sem.) and actually read it cover to cover several times.
     
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    I do not like 'self proclaimed salvation'. Paul wrote that even he did not judge his own salvation. He believed that he was doing right, but that did not make it so. We must all work out our salvation and judge nothing until its time.

    ***This does not mean we can't be confident in our final destination, it simply means we don't get to decide for ourselves where we end up***
     
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    I’m not going to worry about it. I know that God is the righteous judge. He has revealed himself to me through his son, the Lord Jesus Christ. I know by the word of God, that he is true, and faithful, and righteous, and holy, and exceedingly merciful. Jesus Christ is my hero, and my perfect example in all things. It is my desire to be just like him. To this end I will strive. If in the end, I am in heaven, it will be by his grace alone, and I will have eternity to worship and praise him. If in the end, I am not, then God is the righteous judge, and I trust his judgment implicitly.


    Matt 26:39-45 39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
    40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
    41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
    42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
    43 And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.
    44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.


    Luke 22:41-44 41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
    42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
    43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
    44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.


    Heb 12:1-3 1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
    2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
    3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

    These things Christ suffered for me. An undeserving sinner. My relationship with Jesus Christ is not about self preservation, but rather a response of love to the one who loved me first. Praise God for the promise of eternal life to all those who believe. Nevertheless, my desire is not so much to obtain eternal life, as it is to honor, and glorify my Father in heaven, who has revealed himself to me through the gift of his precious Son Jesus Christ

    By for now. Y. b. in C. Keith
     
  13. Jacob Webber

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    I am a work in progress.

    I have been saved

    I am being Saved

    and I will be saved.

    I am a constantly sinning creature of flesh. I have been covered by the blood and it contuines to cleanse me of my sins and on that day when I stand before the Throne I will be Santified forever and ever and return to Earth with Christ forever and Ever
     
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    Jacob,

    king David was a work in progress.

    He had been saved.
    He was being saved.
    Was he saved at the end?

    Who can tell us what happened to him?
     
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    Welcome to humanity Billwald.
    Absolute faith is not something I haven't struggled to have.
    So how much is sufficient?
    I believe the bible teaches us what is sufficient. What is sufficient is that we believe in Jesus, understand that what He did on the cross was for us and because of us, and trust that it was sufficient to cover us.
    Can you do that on your own?
    No, I don't think anyone can.
    Pray that God will increase your faith. I will pray the same thing for you, as I pray it for myself! I am 90% sure that others will pray for us too. [​IMG]
    Gina
     
  16. Ed Edwards

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    Matthew 17:25B (HCSB)

    " ... For I assure you: If you have
    faith the size of a mustard seed,
    you will tell this mountain,
    'Move from here to there,' and it
    will move. Nothing will be impossible for you


    Faith smaller than a mustard seed aught to
    be enough to save you.
    Jesus Saves, the size of your
    faith doesn't save you, Jesus Saves.
    The percentage of your surity of faith doesn't
    save you, Jesus Saves.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. BobRyan

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    David says in Psalms 51 "RESTORE unto me the JOY of salvation ... THEN will I teach transgressors Thy ways and sinners will be converted unto Thee".

    Assurance of salvation is prerequisite to witnessing.

    Assurance is not gained by taking theoretical doctrinal positions on OSAS (as it turns out).

    Assurance is an every relationship "transaction" that takes place on the Romans 8:16 level "The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we ARE the children of God".

    The Peace that passes understanding is ONLY given to the saints (as Christ said in John 14).

    We can "experience assurance" and it is in realizing the new birth and acceptance with God - that we finally have "something to share".

    It does not mean that you are lost when you fail to experience assurance - but it means you are operating in the dark, choosing separation apart from the witness of the Holy Spirit and it means that inneffective witnessing will result.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  18. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Karl Barth says in His Dogmatics in Outline that God may surprize us with saving all men - by which he (only) means to say nobody earns salvation, so nobody may or can boast certainty. Nevertheless to believe means to be 100% sure. "I believe despite", says Barth. When one confesses with his mouth and with his heart believes no matter how poorly and weakly and even sinfully - the Grace of God has been revealed in Jesus Christ for that root of all sin - to forgive it, to overcome it, and to save, "me", despite!
    Gerhard Ebersoehn
     
  19. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    ... Yes, I, am that "it" - I am that sin, I am that unfaithfulness, I am that doubt and disbelief - Jesus Christ saves "me" who am those things, He saves "me", BECAUSE I am a sinner!
    I think we may rejoice whether we may or are able to understand or not! God saves the Doctor just like He saves the plumber or the herdsman.
    Gerhard
     
  20. BobRyan

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    Jesus saves - but not all are saved - and according to Matt 7 not all who think they are saved -- are saved.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     

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