According To Baptist Doctrine

Do you believe that Scripture is inerrant and does not contradict itself?

In Acts 16:30, the Philippian jailor asks, "What must I do to be saved?"

In verse 31, the answer is given: "Believe [aorist; punctiliar action] on the Lord Jesus [no other conditions given] and you will [indicative; it will happen] be saved."

Works, whether good or bad after one is saved has to do with rewards and chastisement in the age to come, not with everlasting salvation.

 

Re the OP:

1. Please do not put everything in capitals.
2. It depends on whether you're a Particular (Calvinist) or General (Arminian) Baptist
3. I agree that our salvation is not dependent on works.
4. But repentence is necessary and I would question the degree to which someone is genuinely repentant if they are living an unrepentant homosexual lifestyle (rather than merely having that sexual orientation)

 

The 6th chapter of Luke has an interesting question;

[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
[47] Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Part of accepting the LORD is accepting his word. There is also repenting and confessing. If a homosexual truly accepted the LORD he/she would repent and practise sin no more. Continuing in sin is not accepting Christ.

 

So, do you still sin at all, or are you sin free?

 

For me the issue is whether or not the sinner is repentant or not; we all continue to sin but the question is whether we have the attitude of not wanting to sin...

 

DaveStar,

bmerr here. Matt makes a good point in observing that different Baptists believe different things.

The man in your scenario is lost. Repentance is a requirement for salvation (Luke 13:3,5; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30, etc). An unrepentant man is an unbelieving man.

1 Cor 6:9 lists the "effeminate" and the "abusers of themselves with mankind" (takers and givers) among those who shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In Christ,

bmerr

 

You have to remember there are two ways to slice OSAS for Calvinists.

The 3 and 5 point Calvinists says "You were never saved to start with IF you fail to persevere 10 years from today".

The 4 point Calvinists say "does not matter if you join the legions of darkness and evil next year -- you go to heaven anyway if in fact you were previously saved before joining with the Satanists".

A few Arminians will sometimes borrow from one or the other camp of Calvinists in order to cling to OSAS in spite of their acceptance of choice and free will. But those Arminians that accept the Bible doctrine on "perseverance" and consistently hold to the Bible doctrine on choice and free will - do not accept OSAS.

 

Here's the key: It's talking about inheriting the Kingdom, not whether or not someone is saved.

 

Forget "Baptist doctrine." According to God, one who is saved may continue in sin for a season. However, that grieves the Holy Spirit of God. His convicting power "kicks in". Guilt becomes a voice with no promise of hope, the walls of that prison laying claim on one's soul. The one who continues in sin becomes more and more aware of the love of God through Christ Jesus until finally he or she gives up the sin that so often interferes in an abundant life with Jesus.

I would seriously question a person who confesses Christ, but will not give up sin, especially the one you refer to. Did he or she really turn their life over to Christ? We need to be in prayer for those caught up in these circumstances, in any denomination. :flower:

 

Show me in the bible where your theoretical Bob is a Christian, then we can discuss the theoreticality of his salvation.

 

Could you stop posting in capitals, please?

 

so, if Bob professes to be saved and later decides to go back to his homosexual lifestyle . . .

There are only 2 scenarios IMO:
1) He wasn't saved to begin with. He had one of those experiences like so many others where he decides to walk the aisle, give his heart to Jesus, etc and the Holy Spirit was not in it. In this case, he will not go to heaven because he doesn't know Jesus.
2) He really was saved and later gave in to the carnal in the carnal vs spiritual fight. In this case, he will be in heaven.

I don't believe the Bible lists specific groups of people that will be in heaven other than those who are redeemed by the Lamb's blood.

Baptists aren't unified in OSAS as has been pointed out. Many believe that Bob has given back his salvation by returning to his sinful lifestyle. In that case, Bob could have truly professed Jesus and then rejected him at a later time.

 

Bitsey,

I think you are referring to Romans 7, right?

Star of David,

If one is truly a Christian, they will still struggle with sin for the rest of their lives until they are with Jesus in Heaven. It is the doctrine of sanctification. Check it out.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Since you were saved, have you sinned at all, or remained pure and holy?

2. Do you think that your decision to accept Christ came from your desire as a lost person to follow Christ, or did God have to change your desires as a lost person before you could seek him? If your answer is the former, then was your salvation based on your own righteousness and good within you or on the righteousness of Christ?

3. Is there a sin besides homosexuality one could commit after being saved and still be saved accoriding to your understanding of salvation?

4. If one loses his salvation based on what they do, then what is their hope? Works? Their own righteousness?

Joseph Botwinick

 

:thumbs: Good points all, Joseph.

 

Counter question

Well, here's Dick. He never worked a day in his life. He grew up in mean streets. He's not homo. He's macho all the way. He likes his women, his beer, his cards, and likes the sound of bone crunching under his fist.
He's also a contract killer. One day he 'accepted' Christ. He was happy about it. He, however, still liked the old life. Liked the feeling of respect
he thinks he gets from them skunks in them mean streets.
His friends in 'Christianity' say he's gotta give up the old lifestyle, but, hey, he don't feel like it. After all, he's not saved by being a good boy, he thinks to himself.
Also, how in darnation is he going to live on a lousy eight dollars an hour ?
One guy he offs gets him the money to not work for another coupla months, besides as far as he's concerned when somebody wants somebody dead, he figures this guy's been wronged somehow, and the world's a better place without the other guy, right ?
Now, if that ain't Christianity in action, Dick wonders what it is, you know,
riddin' earth of scum.
He don't think he's really a sinner, and as far as he is concerned, murder's just a word, and it's really relative, you know.
So he goes his merry way.

What do you think, Star of David 45. You think Dick is blood-bought, and heaven bound ?

peace.:flower:

 

I think Dick is soon to be major motion picture.

 

yeah ? I hope Nicholas Cage gets the part. I kinda like the way he acts his roles.
Apologies and all due respects to the OP, we don't mean to hijack your thread.