ACLU: New documents show senior officials approved Gitmo abuse

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  1. poncho

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    The American Civil Liberties Union released newly obtained documents Thursday showing that senior Defense Department officials approved aggressive interrogation techniques that FBI agents deemed abusive, ineffective and unlawful, RAW STORY has learned.

    “We now possess overwhelming evidence that political and military leaders endorsed interrogation methods that violate both domestic and international law,” Jameel Jaffer, an attorney with the ACLU said in a release. “It is entirely unacceptable that no senior official has been held accountable.”

    Included in today’s release is a memorandum prepared by FBI personnel on May 30, 2003, which supplies a detailed discussion of tensions between FBI and Defense Department personnel stationed at Guantбnamo in late 2002. According to the memo, Defense Department interrogators were encouraged by their superiors to “use aggressive interrogation tactics” that FBI agents believed were “of questionable effectiveness and subject to uncertain interpretation based on law and regulation.” The May 2003 memo specifically names Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, who was then Commander of Joint Task Force-Guantбnamo, as having favored interrogation methods that FBI agents believed “could easily result in the elicitation of unreliable and legally inadmissible information.” The memo states that FBI personnel brought their concerns to the attention of senior Defense Department personnel but that their concerns were brushed aside.

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    To date, more than 90,000 pages of government documents have been released in response to the ACLU's Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. The ACLU has been posting these documents online at http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia

    The friend-of-the-court brief in Qassim v. Bush is available online at www.aclu.org/intlhumanrights/gen/24248lgl20060223.html

    The documents released today are available online at http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/022306/

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    The erroneous conclusion drawn by the aclu is to be expected.
     
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    Considering that the Bush administration has no problem with using constitutionally questionable tactics against all American citizens, this news does not surprise me.
     
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    The problem with the whole torture debate imho is that we Americans are even debating and weighing the cost to benefits of torture.

    This is an example of that Ben Franklin close and funneling I was talking about in another thread Carpro. ;)
     
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    Funny how such important revelations such as this are ignored simply because the ACLU is the entity doing the revealing.

    90,000 pages of documents pointing to the intentional abuse of individuals in their charge by this administration is nothing to sneeze at imho.

    Guess I'm just old fashioned.
     
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    What do you expect?

    The aclu has never left it's communist roots and is still dedicated to using our own Constitution and laws against us to destroy the institutions of America.
     
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    So that all means that abusing prisoners is cool or something, or the information is faulty because the ACLU happened to reveal the documentation?

    The United Nations have many roots and ideals based on communism and socialism but we have let ourselves become subservient to them and their idea of free trade, and communistic pseudo evironmentalism that seeks to do away with private property rights so what's the difference?

    Why shun one and embrace the other if they have both been grown from the same roots?
     
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    No, it means that any conclusions the aclu draws about whatever current bandwagon they are driving have to be suspect, keeping their agenda in mind.
     
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    That's good, that's really good! Keeping agendas in mind. I couldn't agree more with that Carpro. To bad most folks seem to ignore this sound reasoning eh?

    Maybe then we would actually be protecting our republican form of goverment instead of helping those that seek to subvert it by becoming their followers. Good point!
     
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    communism will never overcome even though the aclu keeps hitting it's ugly head against the
    wall beauty will not come from it's worthless agenda I wonder if they know how much time they have wasted Jesus of Nazareth will have the final say and time is running out for us all
    if you are a member of the aclu get out of it
     
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    I should know better than to use the word "agenda" with our leading global "agenda" one world order alarmist.
    ;)
     
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    Perhaps you would like to give us examples of these things you claim.......

    BiR
     
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    Depending upon the

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    for info about the functions of our govt.

    is like depending upon the Taliban to spread the Gospel.

    The ACLU is a more sinister enemy of Christianity in the USA than all the Moslems in the world. Has any Moslem been able to ban the posting of the Ten Commandments in the USA?
     
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    Baptist in Richmond:

    It is a matter of Congressional record that the ACLU campaigned long and hard to allow certain Indians to legally use psylocybin and mescaline, two dangerous, brain-frying Sched.1 hallucinogens, in their native religious ceremonies. These 2 drugs are PROVEN to be harmful, and not just some "recreational" drugs. More than one former hippie has spent the last 35 years in a funny farm, their brains fried by use of one or both of these drugs.

    The ACLU's excuse is that the decadent white man has spent the last 200 years destroying these Indians' cultures so all they have left is their religion, and now the govt. is trying to ban that, too.

    If that's the case...

    Several Indian nations practiced human sacrifice of their captured enemies. Perhaps the ACLU will try to make that practice legal again.
     
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    Okay. I get the point. It's more important to dis the ACLU than to read the documents and find out if there actually was/is an intentional systematic abuse of prisoners in our charge.
     
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    Of course. This is not the first time I have heard someone resort to attacking the messenger rather than address the concerns raised.

    Didn't someone among us do the same thing with respect to David Brock at MediaMatters?

    Regards,
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    I guess I should of expected as much from people so conditioned to do just that BiR. I wonder how Pavlov would react if he knew how successfully his discovery was used to balkanize this nation into babbeling bickering factions.
     
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    Oops.
     

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