ACLU? or ACLU?

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  1. El_Guero

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    For those that want to discuss the ACLU ...

    Is it the Anti Christian Liberty Union or
    is it the American Civil Liberties Union?

    My experience later ...
     
  2. robycop3

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    It is the

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  3. av1611jim

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    Or it could be the
    Atheist
    Communist
    Lawyers[/B]
    United

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
  4. Carolyn Dee

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    My personal favorite: they don't have "a-clue." In my opinion, the ACLU is evil.
     
  5. Gib

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    I know a preacher who is a member that will disagree with you. :confused: :eek:
     
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    I always think of it as the Antis Christian Liars Unoin.They say they are not anti-Christian but thier actions prove otherwise.
     
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    They're a bunch of spiritually blind bats who serve the Prince of Darkness.
     
  8. Johnv

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    As much as I rail against the ACLU from time to time, if I were ever denied my religious and civil liberties, and the ACLU wanted to represent me, I would let them. Why? Because it provides them an opportunity to perform a worthwhile cause.

    To their credit, they do, from time to time, represent cases where a Christian's religious liberties have been violated. When they do this, I applaud them. Unfortunately, the number of cases that fall into that category is small compared to the cases they take up that are otherwise.

    Currently, they are threatening to sue the City of Los Angeles if the City does not remove a small cross from its City Seal (the purpose of the cross was to represent the historic missions that were founded in the Los Angeles area in the late 1700's). They will unfortunately get their way, because the City can't afford the litigation costs to fight it. This, imo, is strongarming, a typical ACLU tactic.
     
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    Agree, LE!!! As they would say on the game show, Family Feud---"Good answer! Good answer!!!"

    The ACLU are full of people who can't find their hind end with both of their hands!!!

    [ January 06, 2005, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]
     
  10. av1611jim

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    Johnv;
    I have a better group to represent you should you ever need it. It is the Christian Law Association. It's founder is Dr. David Gibbs. Great man. Very succesful in his fight aginst the absurdities of the ACLU.

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
  11. FBCPastorsWife

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    One of my former pastors called the ACLU the
    American
    Crazy
    Lawyer's
    Union

    Of course, this particular pastor had to say that in EVERY sermon. I finally got tired of it.
     
  12. blackbird

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    Pastor's Wife??? What'd you get tired of??

    The Pastor?
    Every sermon?

    or

    the ACLU??
     
  13. Marcia

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    Some of the posts here embarrass me as a believer. [​IMG]

    While not a big ACLU fan, I believe the ACLU has taken many cases for Christians. Their interest in primarily constitutional law. While they have taken cases against what seems to be Christians, I can agree with some of them.

    For example, teens wearing pentagrams were kicked out of school or told they couldn't wear them, while Christians were allowed to wear crosses and Jews could wear a Star of David. As believers and as U.S. citizens (those of us who are), we should not be against others wearing symbols of their religion.
     
  14. FBCPastorsWife

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    I got tired of him complaining about the ACLU when he had no reason to. He thought it was funny to keep railing on it. There were so many people who visited that church for consecutive services and most of them didn't come back because of him complaining (not preaching) about the ACLU and homosexuals and the liberals. He just always seemed mad at the world. He never preached salvation sermons. It was always politics and the ACLU.
     
  15. robycop3

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    The ACLU started out with a very worthy cause...to see that indigent or mentally-deficient defendants, or those whose command of the English language was poor, received proper legal representation. They came into existence in 1920 after the arrests of Sacco and Vanzetti, two poorly-educated paper anarchists, who were arrested for a murder-robbery mainly because they were Italians with an unpopular polotical view. They also worked for complete womens' suffrage, and for the rights of both the UAW to distribute pro-union literature and of Henry Ford to distribute anti-union literature.

    They then slowly moved into taking racial discrimination cases, and, once it dawned upon the average white person that nonwhite USA citizens really were often treated as second-class, many people recognized the ACLU as the champion of the common man. But once the federal and state govts. outlawed all racial discrimination, the ACLU had to find something else to justify its exiatence, so it began to turn to religion, especially in the era of having a large number of New-Age-Liberal judges on benches from the US Supreme Court downwards. Then began their assault upon Christianity.

    They didn't just decide one day to try to outlaw Christianity...They began by defending the right of JW schoolchildren to not salute the flag. Then came the issue of children (and teachers) having to listen to a prayer said over a school's PA system. I was in school at the time, and our procedure was that every morning a representative of a given religion or denom would speak for 5 minutes, and anyone who didn't wanna hear a given speaker could step outta the room into the hallway where the loudspeakers were silenced. When the speaker was done, the principal would activete the hallway loudspeakers & tell us to return to our rooms. I don't know of anyone complaining about that procedure, but at the beginning of the 1964 school year, we were told by the principal that due to legal issues there would no longer be any religious speakers nor any more prayers over the PA system. Thus, the ACLU had begun their freedom FROM religion campaign. which soon degenerated into a campaign against Christianity almost exclusively.

    Lest I bore you, let me cite just one example of the ACLU's hypocracy when they clain to DEFEND OUR RIGHTS. You've likely heard of the peyote cactus. Certain Indian tribes eat these cacti, which contain the hallucimogen mescaline, in some of their religious rites. When mescaline was placed on the USA'a Schedule 1 list of dangerous and illegal drugs, the ACLU lobbied Congress ceaselessly to make an exception for these Indians so they could legally possess and use peyote. The basis for their argument was FREEDOM TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION. Never mind that it fried their brains. Never mind all the other harm it did those people who regularly used those drugs...JUST DON'T INTERFERE WITH THEIR RELIGION!

    Yet, this same ACLU which sanctions use of a harmful substance in the name of religion, fights against the public display of crosses, the Ten Commandments, and other symbols of Christianity anywhere upon govt. property on the grounds of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, a concept NOT found in our Constitution. What the Constitution forbids is STATE INTERFERENCE with anyone's religion, and the early US courts limited this ONLY to the exclusion of religious rites that could harm others, I.E. human sacrifice, etc. or which violated other long-standing laws and codes of conduct, I.E. public nudity or sex, cruelty to animals, etc. NOWHERE does the Constution declare that the govt. nor the individuals working for it are not allowed the same expression of individual religious beliefs that everyone else has.

    Recently, some Muslim school children enlisted the ACLU's help to win the right to bow toward mecca & pray at the prescribed time. The ACLU readily provided them a free lawyer. This is the SAME ACLU which fought AGAINST a teacher's right to begin her work day with a Christian prayer, which she asked no one else to join in, AND HARMED ABSOLUTELY NO ONE! (Those cats have never learned the difference between "harm" and "offend".)

    They are indeed a study in hypocrisy, claiming to defend the religious rights of all Americans...while at the same time working AGAINST those rights of many Americans, especially Christians. Their main concern is THEIR PRESTIGE, NOT YOUR RIGHTS!

    How do we fight them? First, remember that like any org, they're fueled by MONEY. If you use a lawyer, make sure that lawyer is NOT a member of the ACLU. Don't contribute one penny to anyone or anything where YOUR money could be used for any ACLU function.

    Next, SPEAK OUT! Be PROUD of being a CHRISTIAN! Stand up for YOUR rights! Place a cross or other Christian icon pn your property. Verbally blast the ACLU every chance you get, be it by spoken word, editorials to your local newspapers, or on message boards such as this. Remember: THEY ARE NOT ALL-POWERFUL! There are many attorneys who will take cases gratis against them, especially if your rights to practice Christianity are being trampled.
     

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