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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by natters, Jul 29, 2004.

  1. Ed Edwards

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  2. GrannyGumbo

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    I found the following on this site under "chapter 2": www.mccowenmills.com

    Jesus — The Morning Star

    "However, the lost person of the future may only have exposure to the modern versions. The Bible says Satan will come "with all deceivableness of unrighteousness…" (II Thessalonians 2:10). This passage may be one of the key tools used by him to deceive many people (Mark 13:5-6). The Bible says many will come in the name of Christ (imposters) (Luke 21:8), claiming that He never came in the flesh (II John 7). We can expect that they will point to the Lord Jesus Christ (the Morning Star) as the true deceiver (Matthew 27:63). The Bible foretells that deception will increase dramatically in the last days (II Timothy 3:13)".
     
  3. Ransom

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    However, the lost person of the future may only have exposure to the modern versions.

    So there is some hope for the future, praise God.
     
  4. Ed Edwards

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    Dr. Douglas D. Stauffer is incorrect.
    He shows by Revelation 22:16 that Jesus is
    the Morning Star.
    Aparrently Dr. Douglas D. Stauffer does not
    know anything about metaphors.
    One can point in the sky at "the Morning Star".
    One can point (mentaly) to one called "the Christ".
    When one does one is pointing in two different
    directions. The Christ is NOT the same as
    The Morning Star. The Christ is AS the Morning Star,
    the Christ shares major atributes of the Morning
    Star.

    I can't believe a person with a doctor's degree can
    not know about metaphors.

    Once i read in a sceptic's Bible that the Bible
    was wrong because it called both Jesus (Rev 22:16
    and Lucifer (the lead Devil, Satan, in Isaiah 14:12)
    "Morning Star". Come on guys, metaphor --
    spell it together metaphor. Maybe a simile
    will work better:

    Jesus is as the morning star (Rev. 22:16)
    for He brings light to a dark world.
    (Venus is the 3rd brightest thing in our sky
    after the Sun and the Moon)

    Satan is as the morning star (Isaiah 14:12)
    bringing a false light into the world.
    (Venus as the morning star preceeds the sun's
    rising).

    Keep it straight: Jesus, Satan, and the morning
    star are three different things.

    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, Sonne of God [​IMG]
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Some may wonder why the Lord uses
    metaphors and similes to teach us.
    Fortunately our blessed Lord Jesus told us
    in His Holy Bible:

    Matthew 13:10-17 (HCSB):

    Then the disciples came up and asked Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?" 11 He answered them, "To know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been granted to you, but to them it has not been granted. 12 For whoever has, more will be given to him, and he will have more than enough. But whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 For this reason I speak to them in parables, because looking they do not see, and hearing they do not listen or understand. 14 In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: You will listen and listen, yet never understand; and you will look and look, yet never perceive. 15 For this people's heart has grown callous; their ears are hard of hearing, and they have shut their eyes; otherwise they might see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn back--and I would cure them. 16 "But your eyes are blessed because they do see, and your ears because they do hear! 17 For I assure you: Many prophets and righteous people longed to see the things you see, yet didn't see them; to hear the things you hear, yet didn't hear them.

    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, Sonne of God [​IMG]
     
  6. michelle

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    I found the following on this site under "chapter 2": www.mccowenmills.com

    Jesus — The Morning Star

    "However, the lost person of the future may only have exposure to the modern versions. The Bible says Satan will come "with all deceivableness of unrighteousness…" (II Thessalonians 2:10). This passage may be one of the key tools used by him to deceive many people (Mark 13:5-6). The Bible says many will come in the name of Christ (imposters) (Luke 21:8), claiming that He never came in the flesh (II John 7). We can expect that they will point to the Lord Jesus Christ (the Morning Star) as the true deceiver (Matthew 27:63). The Bible foretells that deception will increase dramatically in the last days (II Timothy 3:13)".
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    Hiya Sister Granny!

    Wow! Thank you for that info. I have always thought this myself. Already we see many christians already defending the term "morning star" (that our Saviour said of himself, speaking of himself) for that of Satan, and denying that it is even speaking of Satan (and lots of scripture to back this up). This above quote is not far off I fear.

    May the Lord continue to richly bless you dear sister Granny!

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  7. michelle

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    Dr. Douglas D. Stauffer is incorrect.
    He shows by Revelation 22:16 that Jesus is
    the Morning Star.
    Aparrently Dr. Douglas D. Stauffer does not
    know anything about metaphors.
    One can point in the sky at "the Morning Star".
    One can point (mentaly) to one called "the Christ".
    When one does one is pointing in two different
    directions. The Christ is NOT the same as
    The Morning Star. The Christ is AS the Morning Star,
    the Christ shares major atributes of the Morning
    Star.
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    Let Jesus Christ our Lord tell you what he said:

    Revelation 22

    16. *I JESUS* have sent mine angel to *TESTIFY* unto you these things in the churches. *I AM THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF DAVID*, and *THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR*.

    compare now with:

    Revelation 1

    5. And *FROM JESUS CHRIST*, who *IS THE *FAITHFUL WITNESS*, and *THE FIRST BEGOTTEN OF THE DEAD*, and *THE PRINCE OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH*. Unto him that *LOVED US*, and *WASHED US FROM* our *SINS IN HIS OWN BLOOD*,

    8. *I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA*, *THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING*, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *THE ALMIGHTY*.
    ...

    10. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a *GREAT VOICE*, *AS* of *A TRUMPET*,
    11. Saying, *I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA*, *THE FIRST* and *THE LAST*:

    ...
    Revelation 2

    17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; *I AM THE FIRST* and *THE LAST*:

    ....

    8. And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith *THE FIRST* and *THE LAST*, which *WAS DEAD*, and *IS ALIVE*;

    ....

    18. And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith *THE SON OF GOD*, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

    ....

    24. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
    25. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
    26. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
    27. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
    28. And *I* will *GIVE* him *THE MORNING STAR*.
    29. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


    Satan has stolen for himself, the name the Lord refers to himself as, to which would be NO DIFFERENT than if Satan would try to decieve us into thinking that "the first and the last" or the root and offspring of David, or the Son of God, Christ, etc. would apply to him. Please look at what this really says:

    2 Peter 1

    16. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
    17. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
    18. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
    19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
    20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Now look at this verse:

    We have also a more SURE WORD OF PROPHECY; whereunto ye do well that ye TAKE HEED, AS UNTO a LIGHT THAT SHINETH IN A DARK PLACE, until THE DAY DAWN, and THE DAY STAR ARISE IN YOUR HEARTS:

    and ...

    28. And I will GIVE him *THE MORNING STAR*.

    and ...

    *I AM the .... BRIGHT and MORNING STAR.

    and .....

    John 5

    28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
    29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto *THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE*; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    Luke 20

    36. Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the *CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION*.

    John 11

    25. *JESUS SAID* unto her, *I AM THE RESURECTION, AND THE LIFE*: he that believeth in me, *THOUGH* he *WERE DEAD*, *YET SHALL* he *LIVE*:
    26. And whosoever *LIVETH* and *BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE*. Believest thou this?
    27. She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that *THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD*, which should *COME INTO* the *WORLD*.

    The Holy Spirit of truth, has just told us in God's word, that Jesus Christ is the morning star, to which is the Resurrection and eternal life. This does not belong in Isaiah 14:12. Why not just put Almighty God in it's place? or Son of God? or Christ?

    Isaiah 14

    12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/thebible.htm

    Claims to have a downloadable: "The Authorized
    King James Version (KJV) of 1611"

    But it is not. It is one of the KJV1769
    family of translations.

    Sad to say, Sister Tracy will not be adding
    new stuff to her website jesus-is-lord.com.
    She is the source of about 1/3 of all the
    stuff posted on this forum (though a lot
    may be borrowed from other sources).


    But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, the Christ [​IMG]
     
  9. Askjo

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    Jesus is as morning star as the Satan;
    the Satan is as morning star as Jesus;
    the Satan is as Jesus as morning star;
    Jesus is as the Satan as morning star;
    the morning star is as the Satan as Jesus;
    the morning star is as Jesus as the Satan.
     
  10. Ransom

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    Ever notice how only the KJV-onlyists ever seem to confuse Jesus and Satan? I wonder why.
     
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    The KJV does not contradict itself between the Satan and Jesus.

    Modern versions contradict themselves with morning star between the Satan and Jesus. This affects the doctrine of the Satan and of Jesus Christ. Do these modern versions confuse?

    An illustration is that one boy read on the Old Testament from modern version and another boy read the New Testament from modern version. Ask them, Who is morning Star? Satan or Jesus? If they disagree each other, they will point arguably - WHO is right?
     
  12. GrannyGumbo

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    Ever notice how only the KJV-onlyists ever seem to confuse Jesus and Satan?

    Beg your pardon, Ransom...I've NEVER confused Jesus and Satan, believe me!


    &lt;no edit - I hit the wrong button [​IMG] &gt;

    [ August 02, 2004, 10:17 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    Perchance they are more entrapped into
    the error of nominalism than we thought?
    Poor souls cannot distinguish between
    the name tag, the name written on the name
    tag, and the person wearing the name tag.

    But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
    [​IMG] Praise Iesus, the Christ [​IMG]
     
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    Michelle, you have continually avopided my question. I'll ask it again:
    So then you assert that, by your own standards, that the KJV translators were being blasphemous by including the marginal note "day star". Either explain yourself, or affirm it. But do not continue you "hit and run" KJVO &lt;attack snipped&gt;.

    [ August 02, 2004, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
  15. Ransom

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    GrannyGumbo said:

    Beg your pardon, Ransom...I've NEVER confused Jesus and Satan, believe me!

    That's as may be, but who brings it up all the time, time after time? KJV-onlyists.

    Who never raises this non-issue? Non-KJV-only Bible believers.

    So who's confused here?
     
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    Not me, for sure! :D
     
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    Perhaps it would have been more fair to say "Ever notice how only some of the KJV-onlyists ever seem to confuse Jesus and Satan?"
     
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    Well, considering that the passage in question was talking about the king of Babylon, the point is rather moot.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  19. Ed Edwards

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    Non-sequiturs of the day:

    I'm back in the saddle again
    Out where a friend is a friend"


    Yea for Gene Autry.
    Did everybody know the Gene Autry
    corporation brought porn TV to
    the Oklahoma city are in the
    late 1980s?

    Gene Autry was the
    greatest of the "kiss a horse"
    (here comes the connection
    to this topic [​IMG] ) singing cowboy
    movie stars!
    Gene Autry's horsewas named Champion.
     
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    And Jesus said, (concerning the believer)"and I will give him the morning star."

    THIS morning star cannot be either Jesus or Satan.
     
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