advocating death for 90% of humans

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  1. Helen

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    Have you ever heard of the Voluntary Human Extinction movement? These wackos want us to voluntarily quit breeding until our species is extinct.

    http://www.vhemt.org/
     
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    and if we don't cooperate we simply get eliminated, right?
     
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    Here is Dr. Pianka's website:

    http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Evaranus/eric.html

    I don't see any reason to be disturbed by this isolated incident. If it starts to catch on and becomes seriously discussed, then I would be concerned about it.

    By the way, this fella has a Bison bull named Lucifer.
     
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    Odd, his website lists his interests, but leaves off "killing 90% of the human race."

    How chilling it is, that such conspiracies are never filmed.

    How alarming that only one scientist didn't enthusiastically applaud the idea.

    I suppose that the person who reported it could have fabricated or wildly exaggerated the story...
     
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    Sorry Galatian -- you are so far overboard this time! Forrest Mims is known to us. He does not exaggerate. He is reporting what happened. You, sir, are so far to the left that you make liberals look conservative. But I can see that the way you maintain your position in your mind is to call those who don't agree with you deceived or deceivers. You have called me both in your time. Forrest has no reason to lie about what happened.
     
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    Tom Clancy has a pretty good novel with this plotline.
     
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    Forrest Mims didn't attend the lecture because he was outside protesting it. The article was written by someone else. However this copy of his lecture (posted on Pianka's website - linkie) seems to be the one in question.

    Relevant excerpt:
    Sounds more like a prediction than a prescription to me.


    That is one BIG bull! Doesn't seem too ferocious, though.
     
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    Well, I do find it significant that Pianka *is* pro-evolution...

    And, that he has a serpent as his web page decoration...

    I have never heard a pro-life argument from an avowed evolutionist...

    So, for me at least, it is easy for me to believe that these perveyors of the Earth Goddess and mans infestation of her would in fact advocate killing ourselves off...

    Voluntarily or otherwise... Like they did to all those SUV's, maybe?

    On the other hand,

    Forest Mims is widely read in electronics...

    http://www.iscid.org/forrest-mims.php

    He has a rather long and prestigious list of highly detailed technical documents to his credit...

    No, on the face of it I wouldn't expect Forrest to lie or exagerate...

    And, as prolific as the adversary, Pianka, is...

    There is no way to know for sure whether the lecture Daisy found is in fact the one Forrest Mims attended...

    And, it was yet another one Forrest protested...

    And, I've heard tell of televangeist saying that 'the people' weren't ready for their truth, yet, too...

    But, you wouldn't even consider giving them the slack you offer to an avowed evolutionist...

    Hmmmmmmm

    Mike Sr.
     
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    Daisy, Forrest is not a liar. He is a friend and a brother in Christ. Cut the insults.
     
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    Really?? Check it out:

    Proper respect of human dignity demands that we not take a human life needlessly. All humans regardless of mental state are equally valuable and ought to be seen as ends in themselves. Therefore euthanasia of the elderly or infirm, abortion of the unborn, and harvesting fetuses for their stem cells are offenses against human dignity.

    Now you have! [​IMG]
     
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    Are you calling a lizard a "serpent"? Pianka is known as the "lizard man" and his field of study is desert ecology with a focus on lizards.

    Um, how about the Pope? The National Council of Churches (linkie)? Is it possible the moment you know someone accepts the theory of evolution you stop listening?

    True enough, but it sure fits the description including the remark, "What good are lizards? Indeed, what good are you?", the picture of the four horses of the Apocalypse, the main points of the lecture - missing from the webpage is the slide of human skulls, so maybe the two lectures were only strikingly similar but not exactly the same.


    Sorry, I'm missing the point of this remark.

    I did not insult anyone Helen; nor did I call him a liar.

    I did however misread part of the article. Where it said "Forrest, who is a member of the Texas Academy and chairs its Environmental Science Section, told me he would be unable to describe the speech in The Citizen Scientist because he has protested the speech to the Academy and he serves as Editor of The Citizen Scientist." I took that to mean that he was protesting the lecture as it was going on.

    I don't know how charitable it was of you to attribute my mistake to malice rather than stupidity, but I assure you I am far more stupid than malicious. [​IMG]

    As I said before, if the lecture is the same - and it fits the description to a T - then Forrest Mims, brother in Christ, seems to have made a mistake, because that Pianka is not calling for the extermination of people, he merely said it was likely.
     
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    I don't think it's chilling; I just think it's weird.

    Planet wide spraying of Ebola won't be happening any time soon. Doesn't the speaker know that this would kill most of the simians as well?

    This just isn't new to me. I've heard many super-ecologists, misanthropes and rabid animal rights activists (pun fully intended) say the same things.

    Hold on . . . I think I hear a plane coming. [​IMG]
     
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    "The world is god, but humans are killing her so we should die...."

    Yeah, that makes perfect sense....In a twisted greenie Uncle Joe Stalin Chicken Little the sky is falling Gaia cult sort of way....Natural conclusion for them when you think about it.


    But hey, they want shock value then I'm the man [​IMG] Next time I go out in my good ol' 22yr old 3.3l (202ci) 6cyl car I'll keep it in a gear or two lower than needed and rev it as much as I can....oh, and I'll burn a few things while I'm out. I'm closer to my car than they are to an A380 and few ton of ebloa ;) Bring it on [​IMG] :D

    [​IMG] I can just see it, the plane comes and I'm sitting in the car with foot waiting on the go pedal "Drop it and the planet goes too!" [​IMG]

    As world-renowned business man C. Montgomery Burns (The Simpsons ;) ) once said Oooh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing. Well I say, hard cheese. ;)
     
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    "What good are lizards?"

    "Indeed, what good are you?"

    Ingrid Newkirk of PETA has the same mentality: "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."
     
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    I think that Dr. Pianca's concerns about overpopulation are overblown. From what I can tell(since we don't have a transcript of the actual speech), I think the reaction to what he said is also overblown.
     
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    "If the death of one rat saved the entire human race, it wouldn't matter to me"

    I wish I could remember who said that.
     
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    www.coasttocoastam.com regularly discusses the hypoyhesis that our owners intend to kill off 90% of the population and divide the world into estates for themselves.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Doesn't look like a lizard to me!
     
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    "If the death of one rat saved the entire human race, it wouldn't matter to me"

    I wish I could remember who said that.
    </font>[/QUOTE]That was Chris DeRose, director, Last Chance for Animals, as quoted in Elizabeth Venant and David Treadwell, "Biting Back," Los Angeles Times, April 12, 1990, p. E12.
     

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