After Roe versus Wade is Reversed

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  1. JustChristian

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    One thing that we never look at is what we would do if Roe vs. Wade were suddenly reversed. There would still be illegal abortions many of which would be self induced. I don't think we know how many of these occurred before R v W because most were not reported. Only the ones in which the mother was in serious trouble were probably known because they went to a hospital.

    Would the police crash into the abortion doctor's office or the woman's home and arrest the woman and the doctor (if one is present)? What about the father? He's certainly an accomplice. Would the mother, the father and the abortion doctor be sent to jail?

    I'd ask again whether this isn't in God's eyes a lot like suicide. Suicide is the taking of a human life under circumstances under which it is almost impossible to stop the crime. So is abortion. A woman can self-induce abortion and this is almost impossible to detect.

    It seems to me that re-criminalizing abortion is a good objective. I believe it would reduce the number of abortions by making it more difficult to obtain them safely.

    However, it would not stop abortion. I think we need to better understand why woman do this. Certainly, in may cases, because it's the easy way out. A smart high school senior gets pregnant and would have to give up her scholarship to college if she had the baby. A poor woman (with or without a husband) who has 5 children can't afford to have another one. A 15 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant.

    I believe that the real answer to all of this is the church and stronger personal belief, real acceptance that the fetus is a child of God.

    Additionally, the economy seems to have a significant impact on the number of abortions. I think that's why the number of abortions went down more rapidly during the Clinton administration than during George Bush's administration.

    Finally, maybe more so in years past than now, unmarried pregnant women are stigmatized and treated as outcasts (wearing a scarlet A). People who are treated as outcasts rather than compassion will try to change that situation.

    This is by no means a complete answer to a complex situation. What does the BB think about this?

    This is a serious question which I don't consider to be political although it will be politized.
     
  2. preachinjesus

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    Many on this board sure think this would be okay. The courts would set up a system of discipline.

    I think we can all agree that while we might legislate out the legal recourse that there is no way to change the hearts and attitudes of those who would have abortions. They will find a way.

    Just because some might do this isn't an excuse to continue a barbaraic practice that is agaisnt the will and ways of God.

    Have you ever seen Cider House Rules? Its a story centering around an orphanage where illegal abortions are performed. Pretty interesting from the standpoint of it offers a glimpse into the culture (the 1940s) and lives of those who were involved on both sides of this issue.

    I agree with your above statement and am happy you made it. One of the strongest arguments form abortion-rights proponents is the safety of the woman getting the abortion. I think it specious...mostly.

    I think abortion should be illegal. We shouldn't apologize for it. Medical abortions should have extremely high regulations attached.

    Life change is the only true solution we will ever find for the abortion problem. Life change through Christ. That means we each need to get active and put action towards our beliefs on this issue.

    Yep. I'm sure you'll get called bad names too. :flower:
     
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    quote: I think abortion should be illegal. We shouldn't apologize for it. Medical abortions should have extremely high regulations attached.
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    You are already contradicting yourself. On the one hand you are saying all abortions should be banned, and then make exceptions. Some of us have been saying that all along. The law already passed an opinion that life begins at conception, but still made abortion legal.

    I fear there are a lot of contraditions around this issue. Still, I have never seen either a funeral for a miscarried fetus, or a dedication made for that living baby in the womb. Just how seriously do evangelicals actually take this sanctity of life?

    Cheers,

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    I am curious as to your point here.

    Is it that all legitimate humans have funerals, making a funeral the mark of humanity? Or that all legitimate humans are dedicated, making dedication the mark of humanity? I doubt it is either.

    So I am wondering why you attach sanctity of life to two things that have nothing to do with personhood. I am not sure what your point is.
     
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    Yes, just as they do now when a crime is being committed.

    He may not be an accomplice. If he is, then yes.

    Yes, for life without parole for the premeditated murder of an person.

    I don't think there is much similarity. Suicide ends with the death of a murderer. Abortion does not. In suicide, the guilty party has met God. In abortion, the guilty party has not.

    It is, as you say, a complex issue to be sure. But it's not that complex.
     
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    Not by any means. Not even close. Totally inappropriate comparison.

    In suicide, an individual makes a decision for him/herself. In abortion, someone always makes a decision for someone else.

    To put it another way: You can't commit suicide on someone else. But you can abort another human being.
     
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    Maybe an interesting course of conversation would be to see how many people think that Roe v. Wade will be reversed in our lifetime?
     
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    I disagree, but I can see your confusion.

    How many evangelicals oppose the death penalty? That to me is a sanctity of human life issue too.
     
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    Good point. To oppose the death penalty is to say that human life is not precious and valuable to God. Too many evangelicals oppose the God-ordained method of honoring human life. They have decided that the image of God in man is not valuable enough.
     
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    I am somewhat confused by the way in which you worded this post. It appears to be sarcastic, or perhaps a backhanded attempt to appear to oppose abortions, while emphasizing the pro-abortion propaganda that is out there.

    Here's what I mean:
    This statement seems to set up things a Christian should not consider if Roe is reversed. You then make several statements that Christians should be concerned about.
    So, you are saying Christians who oppose abortion should not even consider all the self-induced abortions that will occur, and not worry about those poor souls who end up in the emergency room because of the complications from those abortions.

    That makes such Christians appear to be cold-hearted and unloving. Of course we should be concerned about this possible outcome and Christians should make certain women have options that are better than abortion.
    Clearly, this is pro-abortion propaganda. Again, you appear to be saying that Christians who oppose abortion are cold-hearted and unloving because women and abortion doctors could be arrested for killing their babies.
    This is more pro-abortion propaganda. You are saying that people who commit suicide aren't put into jail, why should women (and abortion doctors) be put into jail for something that is the same thing (as suicide) in the eyes of God?
    Again, this statement appears to be sarcastic. You are saying Christians who oppose abortion shouldn't worry about the safety of the women involved because the objective is to criminalize abortion, even though making abortion a crime will be ineffective.
    More pro-abortion propaganda. You are providing sympathetic examples of women "in trouble" and contrasting them with the previous statement concerning criminalzation and "safety".
    Agreed.
    You never miss an opportunity to bad-mouth Bush. You will certainly feel withdrawal pains in just a few days.
    More pro-abortion propaganda. And we know all the religious hypocrites who supported the scarlett letter being forced on women, just like the religious hypocrites who want to criminalize abortion and put these poor women into jail for something that is just like suicide in the eyes of God?
    I think I see through you. I don't think you are sincere with this post.
    Yeah, right.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    I HAVE seen a funeral for a baby that was miscarried..
     
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    An excellent rebuttal of a self serving OP.
     
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    What would happen is that abortion would revert back to state laws, so abortion would not be illegal, unless there is a state that has a law against it. Most states would enact laws to allow abortions if they did not have such a law.

    Basically, not much would change if Roe v. Wade were reversed.
     
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    But in either event the murderer will meet God as we all will.
     
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    But both involve the taking of a life in a very private way if the abortion is self-induced. Is taking of one life worse than taking of another? Why?
     
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    You are way off base here. I'm not making any political statement as I said before hand. I'm simply saying that there would still be a lot of work to do if abortions became illegal again. You don't offer any useful suggestions. You simply try to politicize this dicussion as I predicted. Do you really want to reduce the number of abortions in the U.S. or do you just want a weapon to hit Democrats over the head with? Look inside and reevaluate your real motives.
     
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    Your failure to recognize the clear difference is problematic.
     
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    I agree, but I do not think it will ever be reversed.
     
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    The unborn child is not choosing to kill itself. The suicide is, whatever the factors.

    The unborn child has zero say in the matter.
     
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    Is one life worth more than another? Answer the question for a change.
     

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