Against Homeschooling?

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  1. Don

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    I'm curious: If you're against homeschooling, why? What "limitations" would you place on homeschooling, and why?

    Since this is the debate section, I figured it was best to start this debate up here.

    And I'm pro-homeschooling, by the way.
     
  2. Crabtownboy

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    Homeschooling

    I am not against home schooling, but there has to be oversight to ensure that children are being educated. I now of a family where the lives of the children have been ruined by home schooling. Their state did a very poor job of oversight and the kids were basically illerate as the parents were too lazy to teach them.

    I know another family where the kids received a great education. Why? Because the parents did a really good job.

    The US is a tough country to live in if you are not educated.
     
  3. ajg1959

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    Did the state fail by not having more regulation? Or did the parents fail?

    Dont judge the 95% of parents who teach their children well because of the 5% who abuse the system.

    And besides...there are many, many high school grads from public schools who are illiterate. But they are polictically correct...they were taught that homosexuality, premarital sex, and skating through life without being accountable to anyone is normal.

    The basic idea being taught to our children in public schools is that you can do whatever you want, regardless of morality, as long as long as you dont hurt anyone else.

    I have 2 grown kids, ages 27 and 24,,,,and I have a 2 year old. My grown kids went to public schools, and as much as I tried to prevent it, they were indoctrinated with greed and selfishness. My wife is teaching our 2 year old at home and will continue to for the long term. BTW...he counts to 15, knows all his alphabet, and even sounds out simple words that he sees written....at age 2. In preschool, he would be 4 or 5 and still not learn this much.

    I say let the parents have control on what the kids are taught.

    AJ
     
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  4. Crabtownboy

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    My guess is that both failed. The State did not oversee their education, and the parents were too lazy to teach them. But the parents did rail against public education. Go figure that one ...........
     
  5. ajg1959

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    Yep...when someone rails about an issue they had better step up to the plate and show that they can do better, or else their railing is in vain.
     
  6. ajg1959

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    Wow...Czeh republic? I have a hard time just going to Danville, which is only 25 miles away...LOL

    Are you a missionary?
     
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    Currently I am working as a volunteer in the seminary library at the International Baptist Theological Seminary in Prague. I will be here until June 4th. This is my 4th winter here. Prague is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. I am a retired librarian, I ran an engineering library for a communications company.
     
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    Many who are against homeschooling have no idea what they are talking about. But for teacher's unions who are against homeschooling the reason is obvious. Homeschoolers, on average, do much better than their public school counterparts in testing. Homeschooling, on average, produces a better educated citizen. Anything that makes public schools look bad is subject to contempt from teacher's unions. More so public school funding from the federal government is based on numbers. More children in school equals more money. More money can equal more pay and benefits for the employees who work in the public school system. Therefore it's in the teacher's best interest, finacially, for more students to be in the public school classroom. Plus, there is a reflective arrogance that supposes that just because a person holds a certification as a teacher that he or she, based soley on that criterion, can do a better job than everyone else, to include the parent, in educating a child.
     
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    I agree with you there AJ. We homeschool our four children and I am glad to live in a country where I have the freedom to do that. But what are the rights of the government to control homeshools?

    Using the argument of freedom of religion I should have the right to teach or not teach my children anything, but where do we draw the line on that? If I teach, as a part of my religion, that some races are less human than others, do I have that right? What if I teach that women are less important than men and should be bought and sold like slaves, do I have that right? What if I believe that girls should not be taught to read and write, can I legally keep my daughters illiterate? Where does the freedom to practice my religion end and the right of the child to live free from abuse begin?
     
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    Y'all,

    I had 3 kids -- homeschooled the last 2 (the oldest was High School and wife didn't feel competent. I was but I travelled.). The middle (girl) went to Christian High where at 7th grade, she tested 12 grade level when she started. She got an athletic scholarship to university and graduated. She's now an Air Guard helicopter pilot.

    My next is still in Art School in Florence, Italy -- may get a chance to teach full time (he already teaches part time this year) there next year.

    I'm well pleased with the results. The "downside," they say, is socialization. Well, ours had only good socialization -- church, atheletics, piano, travel to various cities, and lots of adult interaction. Public school social interaction is, to me, a negative, not positive, thing. And we began the day with prayer and a devotional.

    skypair
     
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    Yep - I was witness to someone who was illiterate graduating from high school. She was high needs and I think they just wanted her out. Seriously. This girl couldn't write, couldn't read, couldn't do basic math and she still got her high school diploma. It was sad.

    I've homeschooled all 4 of my kids. My oldest 2 went back to public school in 9th grade and it worked out beautifully for both of them and now I'm doing kindergarten and 2nd grade this year. What a wonderful experience and a tremendous blessing to be able to teach my own children and watch them learn to read, grow and gain so much knowledge through what we do together. I'd not trade it for the world!
     
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    Ann, I have considered doing similar to you, homeschooling up to a point. Only I would put my kids in a private school and not a public one.

    What do we see biblically?
    The civil government was not given to duty to oversee education of children.
    The parents have that duty.
    So if you decide to put your kids in public school, it is the parents who should oversee and regulate the school.

    No parent teaches there kids entirely without any outside resources.

    Parents who "home school" but never really teach there kids are derilict.

    Parents who send their kids to a school but oversee their education and stay involved are not derilict.

    I am strongly opposed to the public school system and will explain why I will not place my kids there. That being said, without clear Biblical support to say that home schooling is the only option how can I add to scripture by saying that?

    I will say that I think it is hard enough to raise Godly kids as it is and it would be even harder in the public school.
    Public schools are anti christian in curriculum and they are pro humanism.
    If you can send your kids to a public school and still raise them in a Godly manner then more power to you. I just doubt the wisdom of such.
     
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    Parents have the right to teach their own children, or find an educational program that best suits their child.
    With that, I will say my children have just started public school, and I am very pleased with the results so far. They have grown tremendouly, their teachers really care for them as individuals, and they have tons of friends. They love going. I realize we have been very fortunate in this, but it wasn't just luck; we chose to move here to give our children the very best we could give them, while keeping them safe from the ills of city living. Schools should be judged on a one on one basis, not lumped together to get an overall score; there will always be a few public schools that will drag down the ones who do an excellent job that way. The private school I went to was a waste of time and money.

    love,

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    Public schools are starting to disgust me...

    We are homeschooling our youngest.. only because he takes seizures when placed in a stressful situation, and he had more while in school.. so this yr because the public school refused to put him on permanent homebound, we are homeschooling him, and he is amazing me with his ability... for instance he had problems with his multiplication tables...
    I can ask him what 7 X 8 = and he won't remember.... but when we got to division, he is flying through it... I can ask him how many times 8 goes into 56, and he knows immediately the answer 7.... I don't know if it is due to his previous brain surgery, but sometimes he amazes me...

    But my older 2 are in public school... and my oldest is thriving... I wouldn't dare pull him out... Band has boosted his confidence in himself to the point that it is even helping him in other areas in school...

    BUT... we have to go to the school today to get help for my middle child.
    He has been picked on all yr, and nothing the teachers are doing is helping.

    Yesterday, he worked on a collage in art class, and was proud of it, and was going to bring it home.. .but a kid who has been picking on him, drew a picture of a penis on it when my son stepped away from his desk, and my son was embarrassed to bring it home...

    I am going up today and filing sexual harrassment charges against this kid.
    That is what it is. And I am really, really upset.
    I walk into his school and all I hear are sexual inuendos from the kids in the hall... talking to one another.. It seems like everyone there is using the "f" word... and I am going to do my best to clean it up.

    So pray for me.
     
  15. chuck2336

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    We should not discount home schooling simply because a small percent of parents are not doing what they should do. I also do not think it is fair to color all public schools in the negative either.

    Both my children (ages 15 and 10) go to a public school. They pray before basketball games have almost 95% attendance at the see you at the pole event every year etc. I could go on and on about all the up sides, but the big thing is they are exposed to some negatives. Drinking, drugs, no gangs unless rednecks qualify as a gang. (Joke) A few years back there was a homosexual student, but instead of seeing a reason to remove the kids from the school I saw it as an opportunity to teach my kids how they should act around all of these things. They both take strong stands for Christ against peers and teachers alike. They learn skills they will need when they get out in the real world to deal with everyone they come in touch with.

    I think one poster hit the nail on the head when they said it all comes down to parent involvement. If as a dad I am not involved with my kids, where they are taught really does not matter. Their education will be lacking.

    I am not anti-home school; I do see the reason for some to do it. But I also see the need for public schools. Are my kids better than others? You bet they are! Why? Because they are mine! It has nothing to do with where they go to school; it is because I am just so proud of them.
     
  16. ajg1959

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    Good ponts.

    The only answer I have personally is this....biblical responsibility.

    Of course not everyone (even within the church rolls) practices this. All I can do is be responsible for my family and pray for everyone elses.

    AJ
     
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    Dont'cha love priesthood of the believer?

    Parents have the God-given responsiblity to do what is best for their kids.

    In some areas, there's little chance of the public schools making that happen. In other areas, it can still happen (but we MUST be vigilant).

    There's also private schools--but once again, we must be vigilant. There are bad private schools. I was in one for a while.

    Home schools also offer great opportunities...or can be huge disappointments.

    Did I say....we must be vigilant?
     
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    Great post, and I agree! :thumbs: It fits our boys entirely. Both went to public school. Oldest graduated from college two years ago and has a great job. Youngest is a junior in high school and is currently planning his future endeavors.

    Of the families we've met homeschooling in the past 20 years, it's obvious that some of them are doing it for the wrong reasons - like discipline problems (not health problems), or because they need more help around the farm. On the other hand, we've met some really great homeschooled families whose kids have known great success.

    Public school brings offensive language, drama, competition and bullying. And who needs that? On the other hand, one can be driven to success by the build of character that public schools lend. You will learn to be tough-skinned, which certainly helps in the job world.

    There's a time and place for all things, including homeschooling and public schooling. If parents are actively involved in their children's education, the decision will be clear. Schooling is never a flippant decision. I respect home schooling and public schooling equally.
     
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    No matter how you slice it, education = religion. I am, therefore, against any federal oversight of the institution.
     
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    As a teacher in a private Christian school, I see many students who have been homeschooled come into our system. Most of them are well organized and are not time wasters. They are polite and mostly still innocent. They tend to work hard and really try to do their best. They cannot stand seatwork and homework and see it as a waste.

    However, (and this is just my experience) many are deficient in math and English. (I am talking about middle and high school students.) Often their placements test scores require them to do some remedial work. But in my experience, most homeschoolers dont mind doing the work, and can catch up.

    I know some will yell about this, (but let me clarify, in my experience, lol )most homeschoolers are very different socially, and they have a very hard time making real friends and social connections outside their own culture.

    I enjoy teaching former homeschoolers. I have never had a disrespectful one and so far, they are a pleasure to have in the classroom.
     

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