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Wasn't being sarcastic... :thumbsup:

 

This passage is not about changing the church service to fit the preferences of a lost person, but about an individual adapting to another individual's culture to reach that person for Christ.

You're missing the point of SS. I'm certainly not against getting someone into church who is lost. I've done it myself, then seen them saved through an evangelistic message. What is different about the SS method is that it teaches changing church to fit the lost person's preference--his music and culture. But the primary Bible way is to go to where the sinner is.

All of this is good--and I've seen all of this in ASW churches that do not do SS, except for the casual wear by the preacher. But sorry, I don't know what P & W is.

This portrays what SS usually actually is--and it does not fulfill the definition of church as given in Eph. 4 and Heb. 10:25--a meeting where believers learn to serve God all week long, encouraging one another.

 

I mean this Honestly. Not hatefully, YOU will never convince me, just as you do not wish to be like me in any way, I do not wish to be like you.

 

I will close with this. I will not, in some bumper sticker mentality throw scriptural references back and forth with you. If my problem is with scripture, then yours is also.

 

I do,I just do not take YOUR take. You have convinced yourself of your own self worth beyond the the simple standing of righteousness that you are granted because of your relationship with God through faith in Christ. You move so easily into self righteousness, much like that of Pharisees and other religious leaders of old and we know the condemnation that Christ pronounced on such. Perhaps you too......as much as you think I need to....should re-evaluate what you think you know. Perhaps you too should re-evaluate the posture of your heart...is it bent toward self righteousness, or toward humility? And if you did, perhaps you might be granted more response to your street preaching.

 

Unfortunately I have to agree with qf here.

 

I agree, strictly speaking that is what the passage is about. But I believe it can have broader applications.

P&W = Praise and worship band.

 

Evan, quantumfaith was pretty much on target. Take it too heart.

On your other thread "A Compassionate Plea" the same assessment is made.

We're not trying to beat you up. But you need to listen to what we are saying --both Calvinists and nonCals --multiple individuals from both camps have been trying to get you to understand for quite a while now.

 

I try hard ( and fail at times) to not "attack". My comments were honest, heart-felt observations. You and I have differing "brands" of our faith in Christ. Perhaps your "brand" does appeal and pierce the hearts of some, it does not appeal to me. Please know you do not have a "corner on the market" as to how to live out your faith. Neither do I. I am content, but always investigating and learning when I can. I share the personal goal etched into the fabric of the church I worship, that is, to seek (yes seek) to communicate the Gospel in such a way to reach and hopefully used by the Holy Spirit to produce fruit among legions of people in my community who for whatever reason have had little to no affiliation with the "church proper". I will gladly accept any moniker (real, imagined, derogatory or otherwise) in order to be an impactful force in the lives of the unchurched. You may continue to denigrate and critize, me, Andy and the "type" of church in which I worship, I will simply try to ignore such, in my mind such mis-guided commentary.

 

This reminds me of an old joke about a young man who joined the Army. When asked how he was doing, the young man responded that he was doing very well — so well in fact that when they marched everyone was out of step except him...

 

I'm just not sure it can be used in an exegetically proper way to justify the SS approach, though Ed Dobson also attempts it in the book I have. In missiology we use the passage for the process of contextualization in the society. However, contextualization is not about how we do church (as per SS) but about how we present the Gospel. For example, I've attempted in my Japanese tracts (not too successfully) to emphasize the character of the Japanese people so as to get them thinking about the Gospel. However, I've not tried to make our Sunday Service some kind of culturally Japanese experience. The truth is, however you do church here, it's "foreign" to the Japanese.

Thanks. Yeah, I thought of this after I posted. It's a rare bird in Japan because most churches are so small, so it didn't come immediately to mind.