Agree or Disagree?

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  1. Pastor_Bob

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    USA TODAY
    By Laura Bly
    Friday, July 11, 2003

    Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa, Atlantic City’s first new casino hotel…The 2,002-room, $1.1 billion property, which opened last week, is raising eyebrows for what it doesn't offer: a Gideon Bible in the drawer.

    Bucking an ubiquitous hotel industry tradition that dates back to 1908, the Borgata has nixed in-room Bibles in favor of stocking its lobby library with loaner editions of the Gideon Bible and 12 other religious texts, from Jehovah, the First Godfather to the Bhagavad-Gita .

    And as the beleaguered hotel industry struggles to lure loyal guests, the Borgata’s ecumenical move could signal a trend. More hotels are broadening their religious offerings, says Gerald Zelizer, a rabbi from Metuchen, NJ.

    Marriot hotels, in a nod to the chain’s Mormon founders, supplement the Bible with The Book of Mormon . The Society for the Promotion of Buddhism, founded by a wealthy Japanese industrialist in 1975, has placed gratis copies of The Teaching of Buddha in more than 2,300 hotels across the USA as part of a program that extends to 53 countries, spokesman Yosiaki Fujitani says.

    And when the Madison hotel reopens this fall in Washington, D.C., each guestroom will have a decal pointing toward Mecca. The amenity is common in Middle Eastern hotels but rare here, says general manager Stephen Bello, whose stint in Dubai also has prompted him to offer prayer rugs on request.

    Such examples notwithstanding, hoteliers still follow “an antiquated religious road map,” Zelizer says. He suggests that hotel chains meet with leaders of several faiths to determine which religious texts or symbols would be most useful to guests.

    But reaching out has its potential drawbacks, he says: “There are so many variables that you could fill the room with religious paraphernalia and wind up with nowhere to sleep.”
     
  2. MissAbbyIFBaptist

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    Agree?! NO! I don't care if it is considered pliticaly correct to do it, it goes against God's word, and it's better to obey God than man. I guess I would expect such from people out to make money who are willing to compromise, but NO I don't think it's right!
    Seriously, what's next? A prayer wheel? Prehaps a Catholic crucifix portraying my risen Saviour as still on the cross?!
    And another thing. This contry was founded on Christian principles, under God fearing men. God blessed our contry for years, and I belveive it is because we still have some that hold to the truth with out compromising.
    Prehaps they think a Bible would be offensive to non Christians, or people of other relegions. Guess what?! I'd be offended to find a book of Mormon or a book of Buddist teachings. Why are they being so open to them, but not born again Christians? I mean if I found junk like that in my room, I'd have a book burning! {Hey they did it in Acts! They burnt curious arts and books worth a bit of money, so it IS biblical!}
    NO I don't agree. No way!
    ~Miss Abby [​IMG]
     
  3. BrianT

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    It's disappointing, but it is their right. I'm surprised this tradition has lasted as long as it has.
     
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    Privately owned businesses can do what they'd like. I'm really surprised there hasn't been a stink about this long before now.

    I wonder how many people stop by and check out the Bible instead of some magazines or paperbacks. Most Christians would travel with their Bible, wouldn't they? I sure do!

    Diane
     
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    We noticed the trend beginning with the cruise industry. Again the right of the owner is to allow/annul the privilege of a Bible in every room.

    We always take a pb Bible for use on our trips, then leave them in the room. Sad commentary on the mindset of anti-christianity.
     
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    I don't base my hotel selection on whether or not there's a gideon Bible in the room (I typically bring my study bible with me when I travel). It's of course nice to see them in a drawer, but I think the fact that they're continuing to make bibles available free of charge to guests should be commended. They're a private business, and are under no obligation to provide bibles at all. Let's be thankful that they still do.
     
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    Same here, John.

    What am I agreeing or disagreeing with? That they don't put bibles in their rooms? I really don't care. About marking the direction of Mecca? I don't care about that, either. It doesn't affect me.
     
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    I've read The Teaching of Buddha and Bhagavad Gita (indeed, I've read both of them in both English and Esperanto) and I've tried and tried to read the Book of Mormon but quickly tire. And if you paid me enough I could point out Mecca. But what on earth kind of religious book is Jehovah, the First Godfather!?

    Haruo

    PS As far as the degideonizing of the industry, since Gideons went to the NKJV I suppose this is to be expected. Not the real KJB anymore. ;)
     
  9. go2church

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    The Gideons do a good of doing what they do, one of the few ministries where 100% of the money goes to placing bibles in hotels and in schools.
     
  10. Forever settled in heaven

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    i hear that America wasn't really a Christian country to begin with, even at its founding, altho it certainly had elements of Christian principles in its govt documents.

    what's changed over the years may be more quantitative than qualitative, going more secular n pluralistic as the years go on.

    perhaps the triumph of Christianity in the US will not be thru "Christian" or "born again" Presidents or political parties but by conversions, one at a time, to Jesus. it can progress as Christian relatives, friends, n neighbours demonstrate Jesus' love in their lives each day, sometimes with words, other times without.

    i was heartened to find a Bible (n nothing else religious) at a Days Inn i recently stayed in. it was a 1995 NASB! [​IMG]
     
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    "A prayer wheel? Prehaps a Catholic crucifix portraying my risen Saviour as still on the cross?!"
    Kewl!!! I want those.
     
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    Haruo, the subtitle is "An Agnostic's View of the Bible, God and Religion."

    I first ran across this when I went to Tulsa for a business seminar this spring and found no Bible in the room.

    But when I went to Vegas - a business trip, honest - I found a Bible in the casino hotel. Go figure.
     
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    I think it is sad that they don't have a Bible in the rooms.
     
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    Of course I disagree with the hotels taking the Bibles out of the rooms, but It's kinda like "In God We Trust" on our money, it can be disingenuine.

    Jason
     
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    Disagree. Having a right doesn't make you right. Of course, private businesses have a right to stop paying respect to the Word of God. This discussion isn't about their rights but about whether it is the right thing to do. Relegating God's Word to the level of merely being equal to heathen religions is NOT the right thing to do.

    stubbornkelly,
    This is a spiritual war (in real life) not a philosophical debate (as on this forum). For you not to care about the lowering of the esteem held for the Bible and the raising of the esteem held for a false religion is inexcusable. Who's side are you on? If you think that things which downplay Christianity and things which honor that which is antiChristian doesn't affect you then, you are indeed naive.
     
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    Does making the writings of other religions available alongside the Bible compromise the gospel? Shouldn't it stand out easily from among the other works?

    Joshua
     
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    Private hotels have the right to allow or not allow bibles to be placed in their rooms.

    I also have the right to not stay in that particular hotel if I do not want to. I would opt for another hotel.

    Whew, 667 posts looks much better than 666.
     
  18. Forever settled in heaven

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    i know we're drifting fr the board topic of versions, but here's a quick sneaking in of this can of worms :D :

    "Christianity n the gospel thrive better in a pluralistic multicultural society than in a theocracy of a "Christian" country/society."

    ;)
     

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