Al Gore Urges 'Civil Disobedience' Toward Coal Plants

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  1. Dragoon68

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    One can only dream......

    Though I voted for Bush in 2000, I would change my vote if I could.
     
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    So are you agreeing with Gore that people should break the law to stop coal companies?

    Gore needs to be held accountable if someone takes his suggestion and breaks the law.

    Al Gore just became a terrorist! And should be arrested as such.

    What he is suggesting is simply terrorism
    http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/terrorism


    [SIZE=-1]NOUN: [/SIZE]

    The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


    Nothing surprises me in the democratic party now...

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    Me, too, BiR, me, too.

    But I would probably have voted for the Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, not Al Gore, if I had a do over.
     
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    Me three, I voted for Bush in 2000 also. Needless to say, he wouldn't get my vote today.
     
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    Are you calling those who engaged in civil disobedience to get Jim Crow laws repealed "terrorists"?

    Civil disobedience means no violence.

    Main Entry: civil disobedience Function: noun Date: 1866 : refusal to obey governmental demands or commands especially as a nonviolent and usually collective means of forcing concessions from the government

    - www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil%20disobedience
     
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    What "governmental demands or commands " is he suggesting young people to disobey and use against coal companies?

    Since coal companies are not government entities, how would young people perform civil disobedience against them?

    Tell me Ken, how would that work.

    Rosa Parks.. yes... refusing to move was breaking a governmental law... classic civil disobedience... and not a terrorist...]

    But a coal company is not the government.
     
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    Do you guys even understand what Gore just did or are you just going to try to divert the discussion to another baloney rant about Bush?
     
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    Ask Al Gore.

    You seemed to be dissing all civil disobedience and equating it with terrorism and I wanted you to understand what the definition of it is.
     
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    How about getting them to not use electricity...:tonofbricks:

    Yep, I can just see it now. Little Johnny: No mom, I can't recharge my ipod because the electricity might come from a coal-fired electric plant... Yeah, that'll happen...
     
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    Thank you .. you accomplished it
     
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    I guess I am reacting the way I am because I live in a state where historically, civil disobedience in the context of coal companies meant murder!

    Don't even think about coming against the coal companies in southern WV or Kentucky.. you will find out what WVians are like.

    For Al Gore to propose civil disobedience against coal companies in WV is a very dangerous thing for everyone around the coal companies...

    He doesn't understand us.

    It will get ugly.
     
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    I don't, can you give me your insite?
     
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    Dictators use this method to stir the people into overthrowing the opposition. It works because it results in rebellion. No legitimate President should advocate civil disobedience against the law of the land. He, as the executor of the law, should seek to enforce. Gore considers himself to be greater than the law and thereby able to change it even outside the Constitutional methods established to facilitate such. Yes, there have been cases where civil disobedience ultimately brought about change but the change was consummated through the law. Such should be left to the people outside their government leaders and most especially those in the executive branch. It is otherwise extremely dangerous to the nation because it can become a precedence for anyone to use for whatever they don't like.
     
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    That is not exactly what he said. You should read the article before you comment like this.

    We have the technology to do this.

    If you have a problem with civil disobedience, are you also ready to hold the pro-life protesters at abortion clinics accountable? Or is it only wrong when you don't agree with the protesters?

    Regards,
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    Al Gore is so anti-freedom, it's scary. Of course, his lifestyle doesn't have to abide by the rules he would put on us...so not only is he anti-liberty, but he's a hypocrite. That's enough in and of itself.

    But...considering his "liberties" he takes with the truth on his "man has ruined Our Goddess Mother Earth" stuff...add to his character traits that he's a liar (or extremely unwise and easily deceived, at the very least).

    I'm not sure I can think of any way in which he is qualified to be president.

    He would spend all of his time as president not fulfilling his constitutional duties (which, by the way, do not involve making us happy or prosperous...that's not Gore's, Bush's, Obama's, or any other president's job...check the Constitution).

    Instead, he would spend time destroying our economy, ruining business, and running the average American into the ground. All based on junk science that takes 100 years of data and extrapolates it into thousands of years in which the data doesn't apply.
     
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    This is disappointing to me, and I disagree with Gore on this issue. I might agree that it is good that Gore lost the 2000 election if Bush had not turned out to be such a disaster as president. In fact, up until the Iraqi debacle I was somewhat pleased with Bush.
     
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    This is a personal opinion, not supported by any evidence. It should be treated as such. But remember, to loosely usurp former the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan: you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    Thing is abortion protestors stay on public property. Civil disobedience means soemthing a bit more than picketing. It means disrupting the normal course of business of whatever the "problem" happens to be. Sit ins, climbing trees to keep them from being cut, blocking access to work sites, that sort of stuff.

    I'm with Tiny Tim. You try that stuff in Kentucky, WV and some places here in AL and the folks sitting will be shot, the trees will be cut (think huge hairy man with a chainsaw laughing manically as he cuts down a tree with the protestor still hanging off the top cheered on by a dozen others) and bulldozers will be used to gain access. You don't mess with the livelyhood of these guys.

    Gore has evidently become so far removed from the every day man that he has no clue what he'd be starting.

    He'd do just as well to ask Americans to simply quit driving gas powered cars and that would be a lot safer!
     
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    You are wrong, menageriekeeper.
    Civil disobedience could mean what you say, but these are not the only forms of civil disobedience. Please show us where the former Vice President encouraged these specific acts. BTW, you are forgetting (conveniently, perhaps) that some of those who oppose abortion bombed clinics, and one particular protester decided to murder people at a clinic.

    Are you endorsing that type of behavior?

    Perhaps he is underestimating the ability of some to discern exactly what he said. Again, please show us where he encouraged any of the examples you have offered in this post.

    That has absolutely nothing to do with coal-powered energy. Gore is pointing out that we have the technology to burn coal cleaner, and we should be doing anything that is possible with respect to reducing greenhouse gases.

    Regards,
    BiR
     

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