Al Qaeda, Feeding Iraqi Families

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  1. hillclimber1

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    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTU5ZDQ3NjU0NjBhMTUwNWRjNjM5YmE1NDkwNjFlMGM=

    Why Do The Iraqis Hate the Terrorists? [Michael Ledeen]

    Rich and I share an admiration for Michael Gordon, one of three (along with Burns and Filkens) NYT reporters who really work hard to get the Iraqi story right. Michael's story, quoted by Rich, suggests an interesting hypothesis: that many (most, even?) Iraqis preferred us to the terrorists early on, but our misguided strategy of "cleaning" an area and then moving on—and also the comfortable belief that we could quickly turn over security to the Iraqi forces, after a bit of training—was disastrous, because it left the locals to the savage reprisals of the terrorists. What else could they do but work with our (common) enemies? Now that there are more (American and Iraqi) troops, we can stay, and their preference for us can be safely expressed.

    The horror of the terrorist onslaught rarely is brought home to the American public. Indeed, it is sometimes so grisly that not even American troops in the field can even talk about it without swallowing hard. Listen to Michael Yon, in his latest update from Diyala Province. This is really something:

    Speaking through an American interpreter, Lieutenant David Wallach who is a native Arabic speaker, the Iraqi official related how al Qaeda united these gangs who then became absorbed into “al Qaeda.” They recruited boys born during the years 1991, 92 and 93 who were each given weapons, including pistols, a bicycle and a phone (with phone cards paid) and a salary of $100 per month, all courtesy of al Qaeda. These boys were used for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people.

    At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man’s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, “What did he say?” Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.

    No doubt it works, terror does work. It just seems to me that anyone involved in such activity isn't really entitled to high-priced legal defense in American courts. Guantanamo is way too good for such animals. Or have I missed something? Anybody feel like asking Andrew Sullivan?

    Hill: Yeah, lets sit down at the bargaining table and talk with these wayward boys.
     
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    :tear: :tear: :tear: This is probably the saddest and most evil thing I have ever heard of in my life.
     
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    Such is the nature of our enemies.

    But it's time to move on now. They can be someone else's problem.
     
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    It would be immoral to leave the Iraqi's to the savages of Alqaeda. While the government is each fighting for their own agenda we need to consider the average Iraqi family. Leaving would make even more enemies.
     
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    Hey, Timmy, when will you be going to Iraq to do a tour of duty for the average Iraqi family that you say you care so much about?
     
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    You're unbelievable.
     
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    And just think: we are now stuck in Iraq with no end in sight. Regardless of which party wins the White House in 2008, there is no way out of this quagmire.

    Regards, I trust that you and yours are well,
    BiR
     
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    Some here seem to think it's acceptable behavior so long as we're not called on to stop it.
     
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    Thanks, and you, too. Have a great evening.

    LE
     
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    Ken, I agree with you on a lot of things. Especially about how we keep voting for the same person, whether they say they're Republican or Democrat, or in some cases, independent. I'm planning on voting Constitution Party, but I'm reading up on Ron Paul.

    That said, allow me to say this for Timothy: I'm going to be told within the next two months if I'm going to go over there for a 365 tour or not. If I don't, then I'll be leaving in January for a 4-month tour (that will most likely turn into a 6-month while I'm there). My wife has no intention of going; but she's going to support me in a huge way. And I welcome the support of people like Timothy, if indeed he is supporting me. They may not be able to go themselves, for whatever reason; I don't hold that against them.

    I view this thing differently than most. Why didn't the Iraqis stand up and gain their freedom themselves? Because they couldn't. So we went and helped them out.

    Some of y'all seem to think that we should have been able to sweep in there, take out the dictatorship and the terror-mongers, and hand the keys to the city over to the people.

    I would remind you that after God freed the Israelites, He gave them a bunch of commandments, and rules, and guidelines. He did this because they'd been in captivity for so long, they were used to their captors controlling everything in their lives. He taught them how to take care of themselves.

    Seems to me, same principle applies. We went fishing; now it's time to teach them how to fish. Thing about teaching is, sometimes it takes a while.
     
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    Our military is funded by us taxpayers to protect these United States, not to "help out".
     
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    I take my hat off to you and salute you, Don, and pray that God will keep you and your buddies safe.
    However, there are some things you said I cannot agree with, and KenH has pointed it out in plain language.
    In addition, the American Eagle has its wings spread out too wide by now, and the aerie is weakly guarded.
    The American budget is larger than what it should be without this war, and the costs of this war will eventually be passed on to the faceless "American people".
    The Iraqi government has failed to meet even one of the benchmarks set for it, and as one American General said, "we are buying them time, and we are buying it with American blood".
    Given what we now know versus what we knew then, the question is: "Is it worth the American blood spilled" ?
     
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    Nice job of supporting the troops fellas. :rolleyes:

    "I have heard many such things: miserable comforters are ye all."


    Don, my son has completed two tours over there, and I'm proud of him. All Americans should be proud of you also. Will pray for you.
     
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    I served my country in the United States Marine Corps. I wonder if the DOR's have the courage to ever do the same as a volunteer like the many Marines and other service men who are in Iraq and proud to be there. I also wonder why DOR's care so little for anyone else but themselves.
     
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    Were I an Iraqi citizen, I believe I would have the courage to defend my country. If the United States of America was under attack I believe I would have the courage to defend the United States of America. If I was a United States soldier destroying, invading, regime changing, occupying and rebuilding a foreign country that did not attack my country and did not represent a threat to my country, I'd be wondering what I was doing there.
     
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    Many take the short view, but

    A free and democratic Iraq is definitely in our national interest.

    God bless your son and you as well.:thumbs:
     
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    That would only mean that you haven't been paying attention or that the bulk of our troops are much smarter than you.
     
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    Thank you CarPro. It is much appreciated.
     
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    The bulk of the troops are just following orders.
     
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    The bulk of the troops actually involved are reenlisting in large numbers. They are trying to accomplish the mission.
     

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