Alcohol - a social drug?

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  1. Ben W

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    I think some of the posters in the forum here may get some interesting facts out of this article from Teen Challenge.

    http://www.tc.asn.au/alcohol/
     
  2. webdog

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    Same thing could be said about caffeine and coffee.
     
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    Some people are not only ungodly.....they are just plain STUPID! :rolleyes:
     
  4. Helen

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    I read the article, Ben, and thanks. It gives good warnings and some good facts.

    As long as alcohol is known and recognized as a drug and treated as such, such as medicinally or otherwise biblically (see Prov. 31:6-7), or in very small amounts socially (wedding at Cana, a good steak dinner...), there is no problem with it. However the problems with wrong use are so documented that it takes intentional ignorance and/or determined rebellion to imbibe otherwise.

    As far as teenagers are concerned, the dangers are more than doubled, as their brains are busy disconnecting and connecting old and new neuron connections and alcohol can severely disrupt the process, as can any drug, actually.
     
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    I concur with Helen's post.
     
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    I also agree with Helen and Johnv.

    And as long as we have this extremely juvenile attitude towards alcohol in our country, there will always be problems with it being a part of ruining the life of many teenagers (as well as many adults).

    Take a serious and judicious look at any and all alcohol advertisements in our country.

    Study them as if they were literature or art.

    The message from the alcohol industry is quite clear.

    It is targeted at the young and impressionable.

    It is relating consumption of alcohol with growing up, being popular, being accepted as part of the "group", sex (and in several of the newer commercials, the focus is on oral sex), and success as a human being.

    Very dangerous mind games are being played here.

    Peace-
    Scarlett O.
    &lt;&gt;&lt;
     
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    Many are deceived by alcohol and believe that just one drink will not hurt them. Every drunk started with just one drink
     
  8. Helen

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    Of course, but not every first drink ends up in alcoholism!
     
  9. Johnv

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    Many are equally deceived by undiscerning legalists who insist that just one drink will always hurt you.

    Sorry, I concur with Helen, and scripture appears to concur likewise.
     
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    "Of course, but not every first drink ends up in alcoholism!"
    EVERY drink has a cost! You never sin and not pay a price.
     
  11. Johnv

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    Since simply consuming alcohol is not a sin, your premise falls apart.
     
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    Every drink has a cost?

    I am so grateful for alcohol you have no idea. I have an inherited problem called paradoxic drug reactions. I cannot take most painkillers, muscle relaxers, or sedatives. I hype, or 'get wired' on them. Valium for instance, gives me muscle spasms.

    One of the only safe drugs I can take is a glass of wine. It's great for coughing, as I can't take cough medications at night.

    We KNOW what is in alcoholic beverages. I daresay you don't have a clue as to the ingredients or side effects of almost any drug you take. Last September my doctor put me on a statin drug for possible high cholesterol associated with my diabetes. I just took her knowledge and wisdom at face value and started taking the drug.

    And I felt sick for three months. Tired, unlike myself, grouchy, weak. Finally my husband was researching some of the drugs on the net and found out how dangerous this drug, in any form, is -- especially for a diabetic! I took myself off of it about four days ago and I am starting to wake up to the world again. I have energy I thought I had lost due to old age. I have my happy general mood back. I'm me again.

    It seems to me to be the stupidest thing in the world the way we take so many medicines and drugs into our bodies and then rail about alcohol. Wine is so much incredibly safer than almost any drug you take, OTC or otherwise, that there is no comparison.

    No to mention it is lovely with a steak dinner.

    Do I drink much? About two glasses a month on the average -- at 57 years old obviously on the verge of alcoholism!
     
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    I had dinner at a nice Italian restaurant last week with the Mrs, and I had ordered two glasses of white zinfandel with our meal. I can find nothing in scripture which remotely suggests that it was a sin, that suggests that it was a bad witness or stumbling block, or that suggests that it was not edifying.

    Hence, I did not sin, and have no need to repent.
     
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    Ask these what alcohol has done for them:
    An alcoholic.
    A child in the womb.

    A woman with 5 kids whose husband spends his paycheck at the local beer joint, comes home drunk and beats her - before sex.

    A street person, aka wino. (Our church feeds them every evening. Our municipality has a bus that takes them to various places to sleep it off, and a morning sobering-up program. As soon as they are "coffee-ed up" they go looking for booze).

    If it isn't a necessary medicine, as in Helen's case, why drink it? What is there about alcohol that makes it "lovely" or "pleasant"? Where did we get the idea that ALCOHOL is drinkable?
     
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    While sad, these cases show a act of Drunkness, which is a sin, and isn't the question here.

    These acts could also be shown for Food, Coffee, Soda, and many other "so called" good things.

    Again, the same could be said about eating Pie. I love pie, but should I stop eating it?

    What about coffee? How about Soda? Coke Cola? You know, the stuff that eats through rust and nails, and is one of many people's favorite drinks?

    What about butter? Can this be good for us? Better yet, how about the "man made" butter that is not as fatty?

    Drinking and Getting Drunk are completely two differnts things, and I think everyone would agree that getting drunk is a sin. Drinking, is not.

    Also, you can't compare items like the above, only because in excess anything can be bad for you and seen as a sin. Moderation is the key.


    From the Bible. [​IMG]


    Jamie
     
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    Yeah, go ahead and ask; you will probably get no comment.

    Also ask here is she would prefer a husband who has one drink daily and never beats her, or hte case you cited, or a husband who plays the stock market and buys cocktails with his earnings every Friday ngiht and beats her both before and after sex that night.

    Maybe the solution is to see to it that no one feeds them and they starve to death; at least they would no longer be committing the monstrous atrocity of drinking wine.

    Why drink anything other than water?

    Many of the colors of the Grand Canyon are much like the colors of various beverages, and I have thought GC is rather lovely and pleasant.

    Presumably because it's liquid and it kept juices of grapes and other plants from spoiling. But I don't know precisely where.
     
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    Since simply consuming alcohol is not a sin, your premise falls apart. </font>[/QUOTE]Ah, but according to the Word of God simplying consuming alcohol is a sin. Look at Proverbs 23:31...

    Look not... the Hebrew word for 'Look' is ra'ah, meaning ' do not approve of, have no experience with'. So the Word of God indeed does tell us not to drink fermented drink.
     
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    How can we say it is ok to drink when God's Word says don't even experience it?
     
  19. Shiloh

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    That's easy, standingfirminChrist, They don't have those verses in their "bible". You can't reason with "christian?" drinkers for the Bible tells us they are not wise, Prov.20:1.
     
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    I am not a Hebrew scholar by any means, but it appears that the KJV does en excellent job in its translation of this particular word. "Look not" seems to be a perfect translation for the word ra'ah.
     

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