Alcohol

"Almost Left Crying at the Altar: Quentin Letts Investigates What's in the Chalice"

Telegraph March 30, 2002

""[Rev] Gillean Craig has known parishes where each week a different parishioner brings along the wine. Only a little is needed for the service; the rest is knocked back afterwards by the congregation.
Last, spare a thought for the priests who must drain the chalice. At a parish service, there is seldom more than a mouthful or two of unused wine, but at big cathedral masses, it is far harder to judge the amount. As the Rev Craig puts it, "The clergy can be faced with the prospect of having to drink literally pints of the stuff.""

 

I got this from a Catholic web site

 

The bottom line is that scripture permits alcoholic beverage consumption. It does not permit drunkenness. If scripture permits it, then Christians are permitted to consume it.

So are sugar and caffiene.

Then don't consume too much.

 

Holy Tipple May Take Priests Over Limit

Guardian Nov. 3, 2007

"The shortage of priests has resulted in those who are currently ministering having to say multiple masses, and often drive from church to church to do so, having drunk from the chalice in each church," he said.
Father D'Arcy, who hosts a radio show on BBC Radio Ulster and BBC Radio 2, said there may be enough alcohol in a priest's bloodstream to fail a drink-driving test."

 

Given that the the wine in Catholic communion is diluted with water, and given that the amount left over is usualyl very little, this is highly unlikely.

 

An over consumption of carbohydrates is mind altering.
Many enzymes and amino acids (e.g. tryptophan) in nature are mind altering without taking "too much".

Even the agaricus button mushrooms you purchase in the grocery can be mind altering. Fungi do not have to be the psylocibe variety to be mind altering.

Too much or too little of any necessary substance (or activity like sleep) can cause mind alteration.

Fasting is mind altering.

Coffee is mind altering.

Mind alteration is not the scriptural issue.
The issue is the Scripture which was quoted a few posts above.
It's not what you consume, it's the heart and mind that motivates you to consume.

There are other scriptural parameters:

1 Corinthians 10

29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:​

Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.​

Suppose you were a missionary to a moslem country or to an Islamic community in America.​

Pork is not evil in and of itself but you would be much more effective if you did not use your liberty to eat swine flesh.​

We have a moslem family with which we are friends.​

One year we invited them over for our Christmas Day dinner. They were somewhat reluctant until we assured them that we were having turkey and no pork anywhere in the meal. Also they had to leave at a certain time to get home for their prayers so we arranged the meal according to their schedule.​

They came and we had a good time and explained to them what Christmas was really all about (the commemoration of the birth of Christ). The woman was moved to tears that we had accommodated them.​

It's the same principle as to alcohol, tobacco, coffee, etc...​

It makes a difference if we use our liberty wisely.​

HankD​

 

I'll drink to that !!:tongue3: ( a, b, z, g, e, f, d...)

 

I'm just guessing but maybe it can be passed around a bit so the Priest doesnt have to get blitzed. Don't really know but that seems a safer solution.

 

To reiterate my previous post: given that the the wine in Catholic communion is diluted with water (a ritual which symbolizes the water mixed with blood during the crucifixion), and given that the amount left over is usually very little (less than a cup), the possibility of intoxation occurring is highly unlikely.

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Embattled Evangelist Charged With DUI
CBS 7 Spartanburg Aug. 12, 2008

"“I have a heart condition called atrial fibrillation,“ said Crews in a phone interview. “I have found that the only way I can control it is by drinking a little alcohol.“
Crews says he drank “less than a half a bottle” of wine and put the empty bottle in his car before getting behind the wheel.
“I wasn’t drunk,“ says Crews. “I didn’t drink enough to make me drunk.“
....
Two days after the DUI arrest, Crews was arrested at his Inman home on a charge of criminal domestic violence. An incident report from the Spartanburg County Sheriff’s Office states that Crews came home intoxicated and got into an argument with his wife. In the report, his wife states that he became enraged and threatened her, making her “fear for her safety” so she grabbed a pistol and locked herself in a bathroom. She called a relative who called 911. Later she told the deputy that Crews has hit her in the past but she has never reported it."

 

Between that story and this thread, it's self evident that Baptists can't hold their liquor

 

Yes, William Crews is/(was?) a Baptist pastor.
See sermonaudio.com and monergism.com for his teachings.

 

Well, Jesus "played with fire" by creating it from water...and the Lord of Host will be serving it. I wouldn't dare call it a bad thing

 

.....except we do have to eat! We do not have to drink alcoholic beverages.

I also don't know anyone injured or killed by an overeater driving (unless they were eating while driving and not paying attention and thus the cause would really be the inattention), but thousands are injured and killed by drivers who drank before driving. They do not even have to be drunk to have a loss of attention - just a little amount of alcohol does this.

 

......just a little humor.....

Agreed, but it can become an issue; (Any man who drinks is apt to take unexpected drunk.....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVG4XAFJZZY

Another good point Hank.