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aleph/tahv = alpha/omega?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Ed Edwards, Jul 7, 2007.

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    aleph/tahv = alpha/omega?

    Here is the citation at Zec 12:10
    from Strong's:

    H853
    את
    'êth
    ayth
    Apparently contracted from H226 in the demonstrative
    sense of entity; properly self (but generally used
    to point out more definitely the object
    of a verb or preposition, even or namely):
    - (As such unrepresented in English.)

    Zec 12:10 (KJV1769 Edition with Strong's numbers):
    And I will pour8210 upon5921 the house1004 of David,1732 and upon5921 the inhabitants3427 of Jerusalem,3389 the spirit7307 of grace2580 and of supplications:8469 and they shall look5027 upon413 me (853) whom834 they have pierced,1856 and they shall mourn5594 for5921 him, as one mourneth4553 for5921 his only3173 son, and shall be in bitterness4843 for5921 him, as one that is in bitterness4843 for5921 his firstborn.1060

    Concept from page 14ff of PROPHECY IN THE NEWS,
    July 2007 Edition. Development by Ed.
     
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    The grammar is insignificant.

    It's simply the sign of the object. "Me" is actually a suffix attached to the preposition "upon." ETH is indicating whom is receiving the "looking."

    Besides, ETH is in many, many, many, many Hebrew sentences. When not functioning as a preposition (another word spelled with aleph/tau), it's untranslated because it functions as a grammatical marker.
     
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    Interesting thought but doesn't cut the mustard, Ed.

    In the beginning, God created [את] the heavens and [את] the earth.

    Rob
     
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    In the e-Sword (e-Sword.com) KJV1769 With Strong's,
    H853 appears 7,302 times in 5,650 verses.

    In Genesis 1 'eth' appears
    after 'God created', after 'God made', after 'God saw',
    after 'God said' and after 'God blessed'.
    In all of these 'eth' seems IMHO to denote the
    part of Elohiym's self that is concerned toward
    God's creation: human beings.
     
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    No. It's simply saying that he created/saw/blessed/etc. something (direct object). Eth marks the direct object.

    It is used with men, women, and other subjects, not just God.

    It is the sign of the direct object, nothing more, nothing less. IMO, making a theological issue of this is similar to making a doctrine around a semi-colon.
     
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    You means like the 'Only-eth' do?? :laugh:
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    Sorry Again! Still in the wrong forum! :type: :BangHead:

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    No wait! Right Forum; Wrong Thread! :tonofbricks:

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    I just wonder how many timeths 'eth' appeareth in the NKJV1982-eth?

    Or in the HCSB1999eth? :confused:

    Ed
     
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    On a serious note, I have heard this likening, in the past, as well- the Aleph and 'Tav' (or 'Tahv'), and the "from 'A' and 'Z'," in English, compared as an illustration to the Alpha and Omega, Where Jesus said: "I am Alpha and Omega; the Beginning and the end..."

    While this may 'preach' as a pastor friend used to say, it is lacking grammatically, IMO.

    One would have to say, to be more or less equivalent, linguistically, to "the Alpha and Omega", in the Hebrew: "I am the Aleph and the _____", for the Hebrew has no written "O" letter, no vowels, only consonants, as far as I'm aware, although maybe couls insert the 'vav' in there; or in the English 'from 'A' to 'O'."

    Somehow it just doesn't have the same 'ring' to it, for me.

    Ed
     
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    I haven't seen a Strong's numbers included
    nKJV nor HCSB yet.

    crosswalk.com has a NAS with Strong's numbers.
    It doesn't include the subject Hebrew term in
    Gen 1:1 nor Zec 12:10.
    (doesn't mention the aleph/tahv {eht} ).
    Neither does the KJV with Strong's numbers.
     
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    aleph/tahv is the first and last letters of the Hebrew
    alpha/omega is the first and last letters of the Greek
    aye/zeed is the first and last letters of the
    English English
    aye/zee is the first and last letters of the American English
     
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    Here are the translation figures
    From STRONGEST STRONG'S (Zondervan, 2002), page 1477:

    usually untranslated [513]
    concentreated [5]
    consecrate [4]
    besought [3]
    aided [1]

    but that is way short of the some 7,000 'eht's in
    e-sword?
     
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    Hab 1:4 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Therefore the Lawe is slacked,
    and iudgement doeth neuer goe foorth:
    for the wicked doeth compasse about     את
    the righteous: therfore wrong iudgement proceedeth.

    'Compasse about even the righteous'?
    'Comoasse about all the righteous'?
     
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