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Discussion in 'History Forum' started by KenH, Nov 27, 2004.
Jay Leno said it best. He said Alexander the Great once conquered the world but now he can't even beat SpongeBob Squarepants in ticket sales!
I was rolling on the floor when he said that!
I guess even filth won't sell a historically bad film
Oh, is it filthy? I heard it was a pretty good movie.
Check out the "sex/nudity" category on screenit.com
I thought it was hilarious that some group in Greece, who admitted they hadn't seen the film, was objecting to the accurate portrayal of Alexander as bi-sexual!
The film is rated R for violence and some sexuality/nudity.
I've heard from some people that it was good, and from some people that it was bad. The "gay" issue is mildly implied, and not explicit. I don't know how historically accurate it is, but, considering that this is an Oliver Stone film, I would put this in the category of historical fiction, rather than a true depiction.
If you want a period film that is actually good, I suggest renting "Gladiator". As for me, I'll probably see "Alexander", but will wait until the crowds die down... oh wait, that's now.
I actually enjoyed the movie.
It does have quite a bit of sexually charged scenes, but most movies nowadays do.
It was a bit long, but the special effects were great and the battle scenes were very realistic, and quite large I might add.
Definitely not a movie to take the kids to see, but overall I enjoyed it.
This general acceptance of "sexually charged scenes" among Christian concerns me. There is no need for this in a historical movie except to appleal to purient interests.
I'm not accepting of it per se, but I will not let a few of these scenes stop me from seeing a movie that I want to see. Albeit I have no plans to go see a 'great' porn video. Some movies have sex in them as part of the story being told. From what I've seen of ancient Greek history, and the many paintings and sculptures that still exist from the period, sexuality was a significant part of life. The human body was looked on as a beautiful thing, rather than a shameful thing. 'Love' was shared between all, not just men and women. In order to be historically accurate, it had to be known that this sort of thing went on.
Now, in my opinion, Stone went a little overboard in focusing so much of the movie on the sexuality of Alexander, but it was still part of his life and Greek history nonetheless.
If it was a civil war movie and all it showed was intimacy between men, then I would have a big problem with it. There is no need for that sort of thing unless it's an integral part of the story. Alexander's lovelife played a big role in his decision-making, and was therefore necessary to convey to the audience.
It is really no more sexual than Schindler's List.
I would also venture to say that Stone took a little artistic license in this film because sex sells. Of course, perhaps in this case there wasn't enough as the ticket sales are not reflecting such.
Disagree - but this is not the forum to discuss Christian holiness in behaviour.
Let each be convinced in his own mind.
So long as it's not gratuitous, then it can be acceptible. Note that acceptible is not the same as condoning. However, some Christians don't find any sexual implication in a movie acceptible, which is their right. I don't agree with that pov, though. For me personally, I will not avoid a movie just because it contains a nude or a "steamy" scene, but I will avoid it if the scene is graduitous or excessive. Again, that's my personal rule of thumb. Yours may be different.
Maybe this topic needs a thread of its own .
I'm sure there's already been at least one. Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the topic. Let us return to the topic of the OP.
I borrowed my son's Gladiator DVD tonight and watched it. It was a great movie, although fiction, but the costumes, scenery, etc., and plot were all excellent! Speaking of Rome, I also borrowed The Emperor's Club this week - another excellent flick!
LE - I don't know why I'm telling yo this, but I highly recommend "King Ralph" and "Dave". Two of my all-time favorite movies.
Emperor's Club is one of my favorites!
Historically it is certain that Alexander was bisexual, all men of high class were in ancient Greece. The most valued relationship among humans in antiquity was between men. Aristotle's treatise on friendship, as well as Cicero's De Amicitia both speak to this. Furthermore Greek sexual art (as was said earlier, there was plenty of it) showed intimate homosexual activity, or more univolved heterosexual activity. For more, I recommend Thomas Cahill's "Sailing the Wine Red Sea: Why the Greeks Matter" it is the 4th installment of his "Hinges of History" series, and is quite good. As for the movie, I have yet to see it, but Hollywood does not typically do well in the genre, but, too, liked Gladiator.
It is "Sailing the Wine Dark Sea" not the wine red sea. Mea culpa
I for one wish I could get my $$ and wasted 3+ hours back from Oliver Stone. I kept waiting for it to be a good movie, but it never made it. Then again after Gladiator every movie pales in comparison.