All about Mohammed

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  1. Bartimaeus

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    I heard it on Point of View yesterday.....Mohammed actually died at the hand of a woman that he raped in front of her family. He then brutally murdered her family while she had to watch. She, later took revenge and poisoned him.
    What a prophet! What a religion! That even beats the one where the prophet was a gold digger who found magic plates.

    Does anyone know where this information originated from? Anything else you can add?

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  2. El_Guero

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    I have heard something like that before . . . but do not know where.
     
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    Why do you believe it without knowing where it came from?
     
  4. Bartimaeus

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    Firstly, I didn't say that I believe it.
    Secondly, I will say that I hate the RELIGON of Islam.

    Thirdly, just watch the special on Fox News tonight at nine.

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  5. grahame

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    I am a member of an Islamic forum and have never read anything like that story. I might add that those with whom I have conversations with are very intelligent folk such as lawyers, doctors and scientists. Not all Muslims are violent people and those who are are certainly denounced by all members of the forum in which I participate. Perhaps we all need to get to know Muslims personally before making any wild accusations concerning their prophet Muhammed. They too have stories of early crusaders who massacred 1000's of Muslims in the crusades. This cuts deep into the Muslim mind and they seem to judge all Christians as being the same. By the way the massacre of those Muslim prisoners is historical fact and not just a story.

    I am a member there to try and gain a better understanding of Islam and its beliefs. Admittedly I have met some Muslims who positively hate Christians and me by the way and try all in their power to discredit Christianity and Christ himself and they count my being in "their" forum an afront to both Islam and even God himself. But I find that I manage to get a lot of scripture over. I find it a great place to witness for Christ without forcing myself upon them.

    Lastly I find that I do actually love these people. Because as God is my witness, they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. I feel that I can impart that knowledge in some way by sharing my beliefs with them as they share theirs with me.
     
  6. Filmproducer

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    If only we all could show as much Christian charity and love! :applause: :thumbs:
     
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    They do not worship the same God as Christians. Their god, allah, originated from the moon god.

    Source: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

    Source: http://www.lamblion.com/New08.php


    More sources:

    Archeological proof allah is the moon god: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

    More about allah and the moon god:

    http://www.baptistlink.com/solascriptura/Seitas/IslamMohammedMeccahMoonGodAllah-MichaelSiemer.htm

    More Christianity and islam information:

    http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/index.html

    There is a lot more. BTW, the Crusades were started by muslims, not Christians. The Crusades came about as Christians were trying to defend their lands from muslim invaders.
     
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    Daisy, your post was deleted because it seemed to be promoting and endorsing islam.

    The user agreement you signed on joining clearly states:

    If people what to read how islam refutes Christianity, they can Google it, but those type of links will not be permitted in this forum.
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    WOW.

    To see thousands marching to hate Christians. To see thousands of children . . . indicates that at least hundreds of thousands that directly support their actions.

    To see thousands yell death to America.

    To see them say that Americans (or Jews) were the September 11th bombers . . .

    How do we step into the jaws of death and come back with victory?


     
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    First of all it is untrue to say Muslims worship the moon god. This is an old fallacy and is incorrect. They do not. What they say is there is one God his name is Allah and Muhammed is his prophet. I am a Christian and I do not agree with them of course. Allah is the Arabic name for God. Also if you trace back the origin in the Hebrew the root of the name "El" is "UL" and an old form of the name for God is Ullah which is the name that Abraham knew. Arabic is a Semitic language and both Hebrew and Arabic have the same roots. You will find this information, not in an Islamic book, but in Zodhiates' "the Hebrew-Greek study Bible".

    Secondly I challenge Muslims constantly in their faith. But the only way to my mind to get through to them is by the word of God, which is "quick (living) and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Muslims are people too, who need the gospel and we must remember that God loves them as well as us. We have a wonderful opportunity today, perhaps more so than ever before to witness to Muslims and we won't get through to them by coming out with which amounts to half ignorant statements gleaned from "Answering Islam" website. Which, remember Muslims are familiar with as well. There is so much about Islam of which Christians are still ignorant and we as Christians have a duty to our Lord Jesus Christ to preach the gospel to "every" creature, including Muslims.

    They of course do not worship the true God, because they do not recognise His Son Jesus Christ. Neither do they believe that Jesus came to save the world. They believe that he was only a prophet to the Jews alone and because the Jews rejected him (their Messiah that is) then that is the end of the matter. But they still recognise him as a prophet of God.

    Now I get opportunities to expand on themes like that and to demonstrate from the scriptures that he indeed did come to save the world. For instance, on one occasion one posted the words, quite out of the blue without any prompting from me, "I want to hear the words of Jesus". This as you can imagine opened a great door of opportunity to me. And I was able to begin an extensive discussion, where I was able to ask the question, why, if they believed that Christ was a prophet, they did not believe the words he said in the gospels?

    They also have a few things in common with Christians. They believe in the virgin birth of our Saviour for instance and they hold Mary in very high esteem. They also believe he worked miracles. They of course believe in one God as so do we and they of course question how God can be one as well as three. This again gives me another wonderful opportunity to open the scriptures to them. Remember also that with their forum as with this one, there are many who just sit on the edge without joining in and only listen and watch. We do not know how much God will choose to use of that which we write. But I pray daily that God will open their eyes to the truth as He did with me. If He can save me, then He can save them also.
     
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    Yes, it is true that information is found in the Hebrew-Greek study Bible.

    And here is the answer to that error found there:

    http://www.spiritandtruth.org/questions/31.htm
     
  12. Bartimaeus

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    What we cannot forget is that the Religion of Islam has a theme and an action in relation to that theme. The theme is hatred of infidels and the action is murder. This is a fact of history. This cannot be denied. The problem that we are dealing with here on the board is that we are concerned about individual souls and we are forgetting about the Worldwide Disease of Islam. Please continue to witness to your neighbor who is Muslim, but do not forget that the Mulah down at the local Muslim hobnob is preaching to his congregation to burn down your house and shoot your children as they run out the front door. Let's draw back our forces to Kuwait and then load every plane to it's maximum payload, send every ship with every missle and let them have it all at once. Make Bagdad a memory. Make Fajula a grease spot.
    Then send a thousand missionaries!

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    That post could easily be mistaken for a parody. Or has that occured to you already?
     
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    I do not like them, nor do I trust them.

    So in a strange way I think I can agree that Islam is a disease. However, your solution is not what I world recommend.

    Although I do agree that we need to send missionaries.


     
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    That's odd. I linked to a Wiki article on Hubal and then to a further exposition on the history & archeology of it. Although it is contrary to what LadyEagle claimed, I didn't think it promoted Islam at all.

    If there was any anti-Christian stuff there, I was, and remain, unaware of it.
     
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    LadyEagle,
    If you read my post again you will see that I have said that they do not worship the same God. What I am doing is not promoting Islam. Neither am I intersted in winning what I see as a totally unprofitable argument with you. My purpose of being among those people, who I find to be intelligent and articulate folk, is to bring them to a knowledge of Christ. Now when I say they do not worship the moon god, I mean they do not worship the moon god. Just as we at Christmas time do not worship the birth of the sun god as Jehovah's witnesses say we do.
    Now if you were truly interested in preaching the gospel to Muslims and bringing them to a knowledge of Jesus Christ, which every Christian should be, then I suggest that you too get amongst them and find out what they truly believe. For I too thought as you once. In any case if you read your own quote you will find that it does not refute what I said. For it says,
     
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    1) Islam is an enemy to all the freedoms we hold dear in America.
    2) Islam is at war with any and all infidels. Islamic armies murder men, wo men and children as a RULE. Islamic armies commit rape as a weapon of warfare.
    3) We must get serious about this war. Do not put your head in the sand and talk fluff and cotton candy. Your guts will be opened in front of your children and grandchildren. They will be made slaves and concubines.
    (whole Islamic societies in Canada are involved in honor murders and the authorities cannot deal with them. FACT) This is a different culture than western culture and it is spreading into America daily.
    4) You must realize that the M_n_t Market opened down the street by the sweet little muslim family are not friends of Americans. They hold to their Mulah or Imam. When the attitude of the mosque changes, they change.
    5) Just don't take my word......argue with this:
    Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248,50.,(London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899)
    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on it's votaries. Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of it's grace and refinement; the next of it's dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities.......but the influences of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread through central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it has vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

    Now I know what's gonna happen, you folks are going to take issue with the non issues that Churchill talked about. His view of Islam was right. It is still right. Africa is still in revolution in the Islamic fist and ............

    those of you who make such a stir about slavery.....should be shouting at the religion of Mohammedanism - Islam.

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    What we feel or think about muslims today has no bearing at all on the kind of person Muhammed was. He was what he was and he did what he did and no feelings about present day muslims will change that.
     
  19. Bartimaeus

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    Let me identify myself in case there may be questions. I am not a proponent of the current Iraqi war. I am not a Bushite. I am an American Christian man who believes we cannot turn our backs to the Islamics FROM or IN any country.......ours included.

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    First of all we are Christians and being Christians our allegiance is to Christ and the gospel first. Not any politician, whoever he is or claims to represent. It is our duty (without being thinking in any "cotton candy" way) to preach the gospel to every creature and that includes Muslims.
    Our Lord said, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." If God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son. Who are we to make war with those that He loves? It is not the duty of Christians to take sides in any political party. But it is our first duty to the lost. Muslims are lost and need the gospel. We are debtors to them as we are to all who need Christ. We haven't the right to have our luxury opinions about those who are dead in trespasses and sins. Christ died for the ungodly. That is he died for us. Who are we to choose who we preach the gospel to? We can oppose Islam. But it is far better to do it in a constructive way than in a destructive manner. Any way I though the purpose of our being in Iraq was to bring about stabilty and a democratic way of life. Not to destroy Muslims.
     

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