In the other thread, now closed I had asked webdog to point out the inconsistencies between my position on the fate of infants and my Calvinism. I define the T, Total Depravity, as one being as bad off as he can be, not as bad as he can be. Don't see a problem here. The L, Limited (Particular) Atonement, is just that. To say the L falls requires an assumption that is not warranted. It assumes that the infant, born with a sinful nature, but not yet having sinned, is not elect and will eventually sin, and reach the point where he is so hardened he cannot be saved. The unwarranted assumption is that he will reach that point, which negates the entire proposition regarding his death as an infant. An infant who dies cannot ever reach the point of reprobation. Web, I'm sorry but I don't understand your point about the U--Unconditional Election. Some clarification will help. All I can say that election is not based on guilt or innocence. We'd all fail that test.