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"all have sinned"

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, Jan 17, 2011.

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  1. mets65

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    If God saves all infants then when everyone is born they are elect, then at some point some people become non-elect?
     
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    Huh.... Pray who made that statement? Any scripture to back that up?
     
    #102 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 23, 2011
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    um...no

    You could say that God has elected all infants that die. A person that goes to hell was never elected. It doesn't even make sense to say one was elect and then non elect. Either God chose before the foundation of the world or He didn't.
     
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    Thank you very much for answering my question. I don't think ewf saw the ? mark at the end of my question, not my statement.
     
    #104 mets65, Jan 23, 2011
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    As stated before, Im not ecumenicated like some in here so I is only giving my understanding. Besides neither Jakey or Hairy died as infants.
     
    #105 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 23, 2011
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    OK lets make it up close & personal. Its your infant & it dies in infancy. Where is it?:smilewinkgrin:
     
    #106 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 23, 2011
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    Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth....
    Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    No they didn't die as infants, but they were chosen or not chosen before they were born. So do you think God chooses some infants for salvation and some for hell?

    Calvinists use this verse to explain how God loves one person but hates another. To be consistent, a Cal should believe that God uses this same "choosing" whether one dies as an infant or an adult, yet many will say God saves all infants. Does that make sense to you?
     
    #107 Amy.G, Jan 23, 2011
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    Tell that to the 1689 Confessions of Faith
     
    #108 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 23, 2011
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    ????

    What authority do the 1689 confessions of faith have?
     
    #109 Amy.G, Jan 23, 2011
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    I only know about my own son's dying in infantry. And that is personal, Between Me & God & my faith that He is God & I am not.
     
    #110 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 23, 2011
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    I believe babies/infants go to heaven if that's what you are asking me.
     
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    Yes, that is what I am asking you.
     
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    Do you agree?
     
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    You posted in another thread:


    Which is it?
     
    #114 Amy.G, Jan 23, 2011
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    That is one question I am not telling you.
     
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    There are more things in heaven & hell that are dreamt of in your philosophy.
     
    #116 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 23, 2011
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    What do you mean "which is it?" They are not contradictory. Nobody is born saved. I believe babies/infants go to heaven. they were born unsaved. Christ's redemption on the cross covers their sins.
     
    #117 jbh28, Jan 23, 2011
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    How does one who was born unsaved go to heaven before they have been saved?
     
    #118 Amy.G, Jan 23, 2011
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    God saves them.
     
    #119 jbh28, Jan 23, 2011
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    Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


    Do infants have faith?
     
    #120 Amy.G, Jan 23, 2011
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