All Israel will be Saved: Romans 11:26

So Jesus really meant that no man would know the day and hour until NASA discovered it? Great.

Look, only one date is definitively nailed down in the NT. That date is the baptism of Jesus. It took place in the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar. No matter if you cound Tiberius' first year to be 12 AD when he ruled alongside Augustus or 14 AD when he ruled solely, that still leaves you with Jesus being baptized in 26 or 28 AD. Plus 3 and a half years and you get either 30 or 32 AD, not 33 AD.

 

RAdam,

AMEN! To think that non-Christians have confirmed the exact time for Christ's birth!
That same recognition is confirmed in the heavens for final fulfillment in 2033!!
The total "red-blood" lunar eclipse of 3.5 hours will occur here at 5 AM!!!

The purpose of Christ's cautioning words is to avoid trying to set the "day or hour"!
The reason is based on realizing that Israel's time changes as of their twilight Hour!!
They won't know whether to expect Christ's appearance before or during that Hour!!!
Mel

 

I was being sarcastic.

The purpose of Christ's words is pretty simple and clear: God will not tell us when the Lord Jesus is coming back. Instead, He wants us to be always watching. If someone claims to know when Jesus is coming back, he is accusing Jesus of being a liar and is saying he has information that Jesus and consequenty the word of God refuses to give. You, sir, have no idea when Jesus Christ is coming back. You are no different than any number of charlatans who have claimed to know when the Lord would return and were all proven wrong in time. You will similarly as well. The Lord cometh as a thief in the night, and neither you and I know when that will be.

 

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RAdam,
You still need to admit I was in agreement with you!
I had no reason to think of disputing your word!!
I was trying to determine what you mean!!!
In essence, I wrote:
AMEN!
To think that non-Christians have confirmed the exact time of Christ's birth!
That same recognition is confirmed in the heavens for fulfillment in 2033!!
The total "red-blood" lunar eclipse of 3.5 hours will occur here at 5 AM!!!

The purpose of Christ's cautioning words is to avoid setting the day or hour!
The reason is that Israel's time changes as of their twilight Hour at 6 PM!!
They won't know whether Christ will appear before or during that Hour!!!

You may reconsider by seeing my aim was to understand why we disagree.
Mel

 

RAdam,
There is plenty of new evidence supporting April 3, AD 33 for the date Christ died.
One is

By Colin Duriez.
Both NASA and the US Naval Observatory have substantiated this as the date.

In Post #101 you admit it "could be AD 32"...only one year of difference.
Thousands of reputable sites accept Friday, April 3, AD 33 for the correct date.
That allows a possibility of Christ returning 2000 years later in the Hebrew year
5794...a year that begins with Christ's 2,034th birthday on Tishri 1 (9/24/2033).
Mel

 

Friday is a possible date of the crucifixion. The 3 days and nights as well as the fact that the 15th of Nisan was a holy convocation seem to go against Friday crucifixion. Regardless, it has not been fixed with any degree of surety.

Furthermore, Jesus was baptized during the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar, says Luke 3. The 1st year of his reign was either 12 or 14 AD, which puts the baptism of Jesus at either 26 or 28 AD and the crucifixion at either 30 or 32 AD. 33 AD is a historical impossibility.

You do not know what day Jesus was born. It is not stated anywhere. You are guessing. Tishri is not a bad guess, but the 10th or the 15th is no better a guess than the 1st.

Again, you can easily see the problems with your view is that you try to fix certain dates as if they were certain when they are not.

 

RAdam,
Go to http://www.askelm.com/
for proof of Christ's birth as well as the date of His death.

In fact, I found proof on my own, from Dan.9:24-27, that Christ had to die on Friday.

For ten years I had given evidence that it was AD 32 with exactly 483 Prophetic
Years from BC 445 to Christ's death in AD 32. Then, based on evidence that the 20th Year of Artaxerxes was BC 444 instead, I continued my absolute PROOF that it not
only HAD TCCUR on a Friday, five days after Palm Sunday, whether it was based on 483-360-day Prophetic Years or 476-365.25-day Solar Years; and that it was fulfilled on Friday, Nisan 14, AD 33, using either Calendar.

But you obviously are not open to the evidence.
Mel

 

I love when people try to play around with Daniel 9.

First of all, nobody has come to a concensus of what decree Daniel is referencing. The main argument is the time issue. According to the heathen chronology devised using the canon of kings brought forth by Ptolemy in the 2nd Century AD, people have argued for the 7th year of Artaxerxes and the 20th year. Of course, there is no proof that Ptolemy's canon is correct, as the contemporary historical records of the late Persian period are almost nonexistant. Then there is the problem when Artaxerxes reign began and what constitutes his 7th and 20th years. Then there is the problem of figuring out which Artaxerxes this is, considering that Artaxerxes isn't a name but rather a title of kings. Then there is the problem of bible prophecy, considering that Isaiah said the decree Daniel is referring to would come from Cyrus, not Artaxerxes. Then there is the problem that there is no decree from Artaxerxes in the 20th year, only a letter given to Nehemiah so that he could get supplies from the king's servants.

Then there is the issue that the 69th week doesn't end with the crucifixion of Christ, but the baptism of Christ. Then there is the issue that there is zero proof that Christ entered Jerusalem on a Sunday.

 

RAdam,
Thanks for your viewpoint!
I don't care to have an arguement!!
I maintain Christ had to die on Nisan 14, a Friday!!!
Mel

 

Went to the website and it take long to find heresy.

Disgusting.



*LINK

 

Oh it just gets better and better.

*LINK

This quote comes from an article on the website titled "The Absurdity of the Trinity".



That's all it takes for me. Blatant heresy.

 

Amy.G,
Thanks for pointing out heresy of those two articles.
I had Martin's evidence on Christ's birth and His death.
I wouldn't recommend this site again after your findings.
Mel

 

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Friends,
On the thread for Christ's Physical Return, Paul33 has scored on BullsEye:

Quotes:
Originally Posted by Tom:

Originally Posted by Paul:

Paul has finally UNMASKED and DISARMED Tom of his false View of Scripture:

Tom can's see Jesus gathering the Elect from earth in Mark 13:27!
Nor why the angels literally gather us on four winds in Matt.24:31!!
Nor why the Elect aren't mentioned in Luke 21 when Christ appears!!!

The Elect are not mentioned by Luke because Jesus addresses the Jews!
The Jews will be "jealous and will mourn" when they see us with Jesus!!
They will "beg to escape all these things and to stand before Him"!!!

It is clear why Tom is literal on the word "DAY"!
The Elect will be gathered together above on the DAY He appears!!
The Elect include ALL the Martyrs of Jesus and ALL who survive to the END!!!


This SCENE will be the MOST SPECTACULAR EVENT IN HISTORY!
Tom would "spiritualize" God's great and wonderful Plan!!
God's Plan is Glorious and Real; not Ethereal!!!
Mel

 

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Tom,
Originally Posted by You on My Sight:

Now Your Latest Obfuscation:

Let's have truth:
You have visited every one of the threads except my latest because you
decided you wouldn't "touch my (first) thread with a ten foot pole". I was
banned from continuing that thread as the Administrator considered my
remarks too "incendiary". Yet I try to avoid making personal attacks. My
responses are always directed to the untruthful scriptural "interpretations"
that question whether Jesus continues to this day in glorified human flesh!

My postings today are a result of observing intense debates between you and others like Eagle, Paul33, HankD and Winman. In no case, I believe, have you allowed that any of them might be right...with maybe excepting Eagle
who is so patient in dealing with your interpretations!!

I wouldn't be adamant with you if you admit we "might" have the truth!!!
Mel

 

I would urge against trusting anything he says after reading that.

 

RAdam,
Please don't be quick to judge.
I think Martin is dead and these articles may not be his personally.
His work on the actual site of Herod's Temple and "Star of Bethlehem" are remarkable.
Until you actually view the Movie, please don't make such personal judgments off the cuff.
Mel

 

If a person says that we need to forgive God, this person does not have a correct view of things. I need no further information than that right there.

 

RAdam,
You don't seem to care for any confirmation by those who have invested much time!
The Star of Bethlehem MOVIE was made by a Lawyer after spending years of study!!
Please try this for the startling MOVIE: http://www.thestarofbethlehemmovie.com/
Mel