all the liberal religionists are gone

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  1. massdak

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    what will the dak do now? i guess i will have to look closely at dr. bobs post and critique them. how nice it will be now that dr. bob will be the resident liberal.
     
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    Hey! I am still here..... [​IMG]

    Cheers,

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    yea, i know, it was a lapse of wishful thinking. but perhaps your liberalism has not reached the state of total apostasy.
     
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    [iball the liberal religionists are gone[/b]

    Which is unfortunate. The banning of some folks has turned this into a partisan political board, rather than a board that encourages healthy discussion and debate.

    I didn't join this board to discuss religious pastisan politics. I joined this board to discuss faith from the Baptist perspective.

    What's next? Are the moderators going to ban anyone who does not espouse a literal 6 day creation? Or perhaps they will ban people who are amillenial in theor revelation views. Or perhaps they will ban anyone who doesn't think that alcohol is a sin.

    Though I have disagreed with moderator decisions in the past, I have generally espoused respect for their right to moderate. The recent decision by moderators to ban certain folks deserves no respect.
     
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    it is probably good that i am not moderator, some of the doctrine that you mentioned would probably get many banned. again if i was in charge dr.bob truly would be the liberal on board, any thing left of him surely would be gone.
     
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    Of course, John, if it weren't for us Christians, who could they feed to the lions?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    [​IMG] Well, to get to the "meat" of the issue... :eek:

    :confused: The folks who were banned WERE Christians. Just because many on this baord disagree with them on many issues does not make them less so.

    I know that there are several folks on this board of the conservative viewpoint who will miss the banned folks.
     
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    [​IMG] Well, to get to the "meat" of the issue... :eek:

    :confused: The folks who were banned WERE Christians. Just because many on this baord disagree with them on many issues does not make them less so.

    I know that there are several folks on this board of the conservative viewpoint who will miss the banned folks.
    </font>[/QUOTE]careful now, you are still here. but maybe if you see yourself as being like-minded as those who are now gone, maybe you should state your case and join them. (just a thought) i don't want to provoke a problem, but did your doctrine fall in-line with those who are now gone? your answer may be useful.
     
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    I'm here, I'm a theological liberal, and I'm a card-carrying umpteenth-generation Southern Baptist.

    -Neil
     
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    I'm not a liberal. I'm a moderate conservative. I frequently disagree with liberals, moderates, and conservatives on this board. Do you think I didn't disagree with the banned folks from time to time? Of course I did. But when I did, they treated me with Christian respect, love, sincerity, and kindness. To be frank, most of the disrespect I've gotten on the board has been from the more die hard conservative camp.

    You asked what my view was. The issue at hand was homosexuality. My view has been concise: The homosexual act is forbidden by the bible, and as such is a sin. However, I've also stated that if we were to only allow the sinless into church, none of us would be there. And before anyone beings up the "unrepented sinners" arguement, check your own soul first. Everyone on this board has some sin that has yet to be repented of. That includes me as well. That is my view; it is biblical, and I've never wavered from it.

    But regardless, this is a baptist board. Homosexuality and its practice is not an issue of Baptist doctrine, it's an issue of biblical interpretation. If folks believe that the OT ban on "man lying with a man" is cultural and can argue that biblically, then it's certainly allowable (though not the majority) in baptist thought.

    Additionally, from what I can tell, none of the folks banned were guilty of violating any of the Baptist distinctives.
     
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    I'm not a liberal. I'm a moderate conservative. I frequently disagree with liberals, moderates, and conservatives on this board. Do you think I didn't disagree with the banned folks from time to time? Of course I did. But when I did, they treated me with Christian respect, love, sincerity, and kindness. To be frank, most of the disrespect I've gotten on the board has been from the more die hard conservative camp.

    You asked what my view was. The issue at hand was homosexuality. My view has been concise: The homosexual act is forbidden by the bible, and as such is a sin. However, I've also stated that if we were to only allow the sinless into church, none of us would be there. And before anyone beings up the "unrepented sinners" arguement, check your own soul first. Everyone on this board has some sin that has yet to be repented of. That includes me as well. That is my view; it is biblical, and I've never wavered from it.

    But regardless, this is a baptist board. Homosexuality and its practice is not an issue of Baptist doctrine, it's an issue of biblical interpretation. If folks believe that the OT ban on "man lying with a man" is cultural and can argue that biblically, then it's certainly allowable (though not the majority) in baptist thought.

    Additionally, from what I can tell, none of the folks banned were guilty of violating any of the Baptist distinctives.
    </font>[/QUOTE]the diffence is probably the fact that you see the sin as sin, those affirming sin as not sin, would be more or less of a doctrine that does not resemble Christian doctrine. if the baptist board is going to honor Gods word, then baptist distictives should match. we maybe treading on poofable grounds on my post. i hope they will not be to skitch to review some thoughts on this.
     
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    As I said on another post, I was once called an Anglo-Catholic Pentecostalist because I am English, brought up in the Anglican Church and I speak two tongues: English and Cockney.....

    I am conservative in theology with a liberal application. What others wish to call me is of little consequence to me. If Massdak wishes to call me a liberal, I shall wear the label with pride. Anything left of this bloke is an honour.

    {picture} Dr Bob and Jim paddling the same canoe.... [​IMG]

    Cheers,

    Jim

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    massdak: ... I, for one, didn't join the board to discuss, argue, debate, or even interact with liberals. I came hoping to find mature, knowledgeable, wise, and doctrinely sound people who would be able to help me grow or provide insight into Biblical truths that I had not considered. Instead, what I found was that every doctrine, every topic, every thought was constantly being torn down. ... i can only think of one that may have been banned, some that may have been banned probably were new to that issue ...

    Norm: As God's mercy is wide, so are the thoughts among the participants in God's kingdom, with each claiming a plausible biblical foundation. Goodness, thankfully and disturbingly we find that creativity, novelty, innovation, etc. are indigenous to God's movement in history. That some have a certain perspective in which they are most comfortable is not disputed, I have mine, too, but preferring a comfortable being often results in the attenuation of one's development as a thoughtful, caring, and useful being. Massdak, you will likely find what you desire at BaptistBoard, even if you don't fully experience what is possible and beneficial for you at said site, but to seemingly suggest that others have 'gone awry,' if you will, given a newness to the subject that faciltated their banned status, is to unnecessarily discount their long-studied positions and their persons, too.
     
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    I disagree. It's not the Baptist Board's place to determine what is sin and what is not sin. It's our place as believers to use the Bible to determine what is sin.

    The Baptist Distinctives, otoh, are not matters of interpretation. They are firm required beliefs of being a Baptist. They are the essence of what it is to be Baptist. If we disagree with them, we have no choice but to leave the Baptist faith for a Christian faith more to our liking. Of course, I'm a a person whi takes my denominational affiliation quite seriously, where I see others who call themselves Baptist, but don't adhere to Baptist beliefs.

    If you were correct aout the BB, then why stop there? Let's ban all folks who say alcohol isn't a sin. Let's ban all folks who say gambling isn't a sin. Let's ban all folks who say infant baptism isn't a sin. Let's ban all folks who say women preaching isn't a sin. Let's ban all folks who say women wearing pants isn't a sin. :rolleyes:

    And while we're at it, let's call them liberal religionists as well. [​IMG] After all, once they're banned, they cannot defend themselves.
     
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    Let us all compare our doctrine against Gods Word.
    I agree with the baptist boards policy to remove people who's theology is contrary to Gods Word.
    have a nice day.
    Also lets not let this discussion become removed because of a sensitive issue.
     
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    As baptists, we MUST accept the doctrine put forth in the Baptist Distinctives. Period. If we disagree with the Baptist Distinctives, we cannot be Baptists.

    Who's interpretation of God's Word? Theirs? Yours? Mine?

    I always do.
    I think it's an important discussion. Hopefully, it will be allowed to continue.
     
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    thank you that is the first time i saw that.
    by the way do you know the webmaster?
    can you put in a good word for me.
    i would make a great moderator.
    it is true that i would be very very strict.
    the problem would be that i would be the only one left.
    i would probably let the webmaster stay, considering.
     
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    As baptists, we MUST accept the doctrine put forth in the Baptist Distinctives. Period. If we disagree with the Baptist Distinctives, we cannot be Baptists.</font>[/QUOTE]
    Perhaps the answer would have been to ask them to post in the non-Baptist areas?
     
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    At least two of the posters who were banned were Baptists. No reason for them to post in non-Baptist areas, imo.
     

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