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all the liberal religionists are gone

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by massdak, Aug 25, 2003.

  1. dianetavegia

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    Johnv said:
    Johnv, I could live in my garage but it wouldn't make me a car. There's more to being Baptist than just the name on a profile or a church role just as there's a LOT more to being a Christian than believing in a greater power. Four out of over 5,000 + members....

    Diane
     
  2. dianetavegia

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    Massdak said:
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    That's mighty nice of you, considering HE pays all the big bills for this web site! [​IMG]

    Diane
     
  3. Jim1999

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    NO comment!


    Liberal Jim (according to the gospel of one)
     
  4. Johnv

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    True, but requiring a belief that homosexuality is a sin is not among the Baptist Distinctives. Autonomy, however, is. That autonomy allows each church, and some may argue, each individual to interpret the Bible as one sees fit. This will include varying interpretations on homosexuality, divorced pastors, women and pants, creation/evolution, etc etc etc. It is the Baptist Distinctives that make us Baptist, and I can find no post that supports the idea that any of the posters in question violated or compromised the Baptist Distinctives.

    The Baptist issue aside, there's been no indication that the posters were not Christians.
     
  5. massdak

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    True, but requiring a belief that homosexuality is a sin is not among the Baptist Distinctives. Autonomy, however, is. That autonomy allows each church, and some may argue, each individual to interpret the Bible as one sees fit. This will include varying interpretations on homosexuality, divorced pastors, women and pants, creation/evolution, etc etc etc. It is the Baptist Distinctives that make us Baptist, and I can find no post that supports the idea that any of the posters in question violated or compromised the Baptist Distinctives. </font>[/QUOTE]maybe you should speak to the webmaster in a personal plea. but then after you get your answer you should respect the owner of the site to do as he wishes.
     
  6. Johnv

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    Why? Is it not even allowable to discuss this amongst ourselves?

    No, I don't respect the decision of the moderators. What the moderators did was completely wrong. However, it's the right of the moderators to make such decisions, and the right to make that decision I will respect.

    That said, I must side with Jim1999 when he said:

    "I believe homosexuality is wrong according to the word. I believe it and all other sin is an abomination in the eyes of God...

    "On this move, I do not agree with the ban, but respect the right to do it. I thought a compromise could be made. That these folks could be asked to refrain from posting on the subject, and those on the other side could refrain from badgering."
     
  7. massdak

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    Why? Is it not even allowable to discuss this amongst ourselves?

    No, I don't respect the decision of the moderators. What the moderators did was completely wrong. However, it's the right of the moderators to make such decisions, and the right to make that decision I will respect.

    That said, I must side with Jim1999 when he said:

    "I believe homosexuality is wrong according to the word. I believe it and all other sin is an abomination in the eyes of God...

    "On this move, I do not agree with the ban, but respect the right to do it. I thought a compromise could be made. That these folks could be asked to refrain from posting on the subject, and those on the other side could refrain from badgering."
    </font>[/QUOTE]please understand that defending the word of God is not badgering. please show the same respect for Christians the defend and stand up for Gods word as you would the liberal religionists.
    thank you for your cooperation
     
  8. dianetavegia

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    Johnv said:
    Some Baptist Distinctives:
    I. The Scriptures

    The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy. It reveals the principles by which God judges us, and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation.


    XV. The Christian and the Social Order

    In the spirit of Christ, Christians should oppose racism, every form of greed, selfishness, and vice, and all forms of sexual immorality, including adultery, homosexuality, and pornography.

    XVIII. The Family

    God has ordained the family as the foundational institution of human society. It is composed of persons related to one another by marriage, blood, or adoption.

    Marriage is the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime. It is God's unique gift to reveal the union between Christ and His church and to provide for the man and the woman in marriage the framework for intimate companionship, the channel of sexual expression according to biblical standards, and the means for procreation of the human race.
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    Baptist distinctives (Articles of Faith) DO disagree with your statement above. Also, you said you do not respect the decision of the moderators. That's fine. But you have to live with it.

    Diane
     
  9. Baptist Believer

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    Some Baptist Distinctives…
    I. The Scriptures

    The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man...

    XV. The Christian and the Social Order

    In the spirit of Christ, Christians should oppose racism, every form of greed, selfishness, and vice, and all forms of sexual immorality, including adultery, homosexuality, and pornography.

    XVIII. The Family

    God has ordained the family as the foundational institution of human society...
    </font>[/QUOTE]You are quoting from the BB’s statement of faith which is more widely known as the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message.

    While it is true that affirmation of homosexual practice in any context violates the BF&M statement, it is also true that the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message also affirms the separation of church and state.

    Since separation of church and state is a Baptist distinctive and part of the statement of faith, it would stand to reason that if the rules were equally enforced, those who consistently advocate an “agenda” that undermines the Baptist distinctive of church and state should be subject to banning without warning. (Of course that would mean that some of our moderators would be banned.)

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    This is actually about the fourth time I have expressed this opinion here but all the other posts/threads have been deleted without notice or acknowledgement.

    Note to moderators:

    1.) I am not challenging authority.
    2.) I am not violating any portion of the official statement of faith – I am actually affirming it very strongly.
    3.) I am merely taking Diane’s train of thought and expanding upon it.
     
  10. gb93433

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  11. Clint Kritzer

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    Two clarifications should be made:

    1) It is NOT the position of the Baptist Board that the members who were banned were not Christian.

    2) It is NOT the position of the Baptist Board that the members who were banned were not Baptists.

    The position that WAS taken was that homosexuality is a sin. The board has remained neutral in practically every other facet of Baptist thought and will continue to do so.

    Yes, the position that homosexuality is a sin is debatable. That is understood. However, the proprietor of this site was no longer willing to pay for bandwidth that called this into question.

    Yes, the banning was reactive rather than proactive. That has been conceded. Through a parlimentary process behind the veil of the moderator forum, the decision was reached to enact the banning. It was a very heated debate. It was not a decision that was made flippantly or hastily.

    Your voices are being heard. Please do not think that they are not. It is understandable (for me) that a certain amount of lamenting should occur in this instance. However, the decision has been made at the highest level of this site. It is therefore necessary to understand that the protests are grievances, but not a petition.

    Your opinions matter to this community. Please do not think that they do not. I, personally, understand the displeasure of some and the rejoicing of others. However, these are merely opinions and will not affect the outcome of the decision that has been made. Thank you all for your continued contributions.

    Clint Kritzer
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  12. Jim1999

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    Brother Clint, Thank you for the clarification.

    Now, may I ask one thing. Can this thread be closed. The thread title is demeaning and provocative. I for one have been called liberal by the starter of this thread and find this a violation of BaptistBoard rules. This thread further provokes that idea, yet I have said nothing to even remotely suggest I am liberal in theology.

    In fact, this chap wasn't even in diapers when I was on the frontlines fighting modernism in Baptist Churches.

    Cheers, and thank you,

    Jim
     
  13. massdak

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    please do not allow any political correctness and minor light hearted remarks, become as extreme as closing or removing this thread. the title is liberal religionists it denotes just that. if you want to take this as me calling you a liberal religionists then you may need to think again. it is one thing to be a liberal and another to be a liberal religionists.
     
  14. massdak

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    (just a note ) i have also refered to dr bob as being liberal
     
  15. Brett

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    I do not understand what is to be gained by banning these people. Our disagreements over biblical tenets and Baptist doctrine is ultimately what makes us better, stronger Christians.

    Hopefully, the "open, honest exchange of ideas" blurb on the intro page will be changed to the more accurate "forum for exchanging ideas that conform to the majority." :eek:
     
  16. Ed Edwards

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    Massdak: "by the way do you
    know the webmaster?
    can you put in a good word for me?"

    Better yet, i know the Webmaster's
    boss. I'll put in a good word for you.

    Father God in heaven, please look down upon
    Brother Massdak to bless him and his family
    and his ministry. Thank you, Sir, for all
    the blessing you shall give to this world
    because of and through Brother Massdak.

    BTW, wanting to be a moderator disqualifies
    you for the job. [​IMG] People who
    don't want the job are the only ones
    who might possibly be qualified for the job.
     
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