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Alleged Double Standard of KJVO's

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Pastor KevinR, Jan 10, 2004.

  1. Dr. Bob

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    QS - You may like the imagery of the word "mansion", but it is simply not a good translation to 2004 minds. Not even sure it was good in 1611.

    I am a formal equivalence kinda guy and that word choice is not. Sorry.

    But that said, I'd hate to be singing about a cabin in the corner of glory land. I like a mansion over the hilltop!
     
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    man·sion (m²n“sh…n) n. 1. A large, stately house. 2. A manor house. 3. Archaic. a. A dwelling; an abode.

    Same root as "manse" which is what the English call the parsonage. [​IMG]
     
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    Anti-Alexandrian said:

    If the translators -or publishers- of said "bibles" weren't cowards,they would have been HONEST enough to put the Roman Catholic Apocrypha in their "work";

    No, they just knew their audience. Evangelical Protestants have no need of the Apocrypha.

    Besides, if I wanted to read the Apocrypha, I could always look it up in the reliable old "straight stick," God's perfectly preserved Word for the English-speaking peoples, the KJV. [​IMG]
     
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    I must live in the "archaic" region of Metro-Atlanta then, because I live in a doublewide surrounded by several 600 G homes and better. I know it drives'em crazy, you know, pulling down their property values and such, but it's raising mine! (snicker,snicker).

    I look at their houses and they are comparatively like mansions to mine.

    The imagery of the plantation is more fitting to things of the past, but there are truly mansions all over the Atlanta area, even a near identical replica of The White House, West Wing and everything, including the landscaping to a degree.


    But even the most glamourous of these is even less than a cabin by the side of the road, and the "abode" with Jesus , even if it were only a "room" would be so highly above splendor than the things of this earth, it would be a mansion in any form of the imagination simply because Jesus is there!

    Mansion? YES! Room? Nupe.

    Remember, the KJB is translated into the dialect of the beggarly elements, you kings, bishops,and earls will just have to excuse us wee little paupers, who really are princes made rich by He that became poor for our sakes. Hmmm?

    I love the "unsearchable" riches, don't you?

    Welcome to my dream. Where would you like to fit in?
     
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    "man·sion (m²n“sh…n) n. 1. A large, stately house. 2. A manor house. 3. Archaic. a. A dwelling; an abode.

    Same root as "manse" which is what the English call the parsonage."


    THAT'S SCARY, I'VE BEEN IN A FEW PARSONAGES, MAN THAT'S SCARY.
     
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    So I should take it that no KJV-only supporters have "room" in their schedule to address the double standards mentioned on the first few pages of this thread? ;)
     
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    Now, Brian, you know how those Barry Sanders wannabees love to dodge the opposition...
     
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    Lack of responces does not mean ignorance;many have better sense than to answer folly..
     
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    The difference is in "man's" provision and the Lord's. The parsonage is provided for the man of God and used to be quite a benefit until churches started running their preachers off for preaching the truth! Now they just starve them, work them, or grieve them to death. You'd be better off buying your own house, that way if they did vote you out for preaching, you would still have a place to stay. :eek:
     
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    Lack of responces does not mean ignorance;many have better sense than to answer folly.. </font>[/QUOTE]In my view, lack of responses speaks volumes. :D
     
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    Another apparent double standard-(alleged?);
    The exalted view of the AV Translators when it comes to translation ; but their preface, when they extol other versions, updating, etc, well.. that's another story! :eek: I've heard some of the explanations, but by and large they're excuses more than reasons.Have a great day! [​IMG]
     
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    Lack of responces does not mean ignorance;many have better sense than to answer folly.. </font>[/QUOTE]KJVOnlyese for, "I am clueless".
     
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    And this follows after the term "koine" Greek and not "classical" or "attica" Greek.

    The NT is "koine" Greek, written in the language of the "common" man.

    The KJB, the 1611-1769 English translation of the Word of God is NOT the English of the common English speaking man.

    HankD
     
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    When was the last time you heard something like this at a restaurant?

    “What wouldst thou have?”
    “Bringest thou me a vessel of coffee and a morsel of apple pie I beg of thee”

    Translation into “koine”:

    Whad’lya have?
    Bring me a cup of coffee and a piece of apple pie please.

    HankD
     
  15. Orvie

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    Just thought of a double standard: kjvo's who say the kjv translators were somehow providentially guided by God while translating the kjv, but then they turn 'round and dismiss outright what the very same translators said in their preface about "A variety of translations is profitable...." and let me add this is what willie did! and then he wrote about what an ESV man wrote who extolled the kjv. Double standard alert. Be alert (the world needs more lerts :eek: ) Time for some beauty [​IMG]
     
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    Skan: {I am not aware of anyone in that church who does not know "target" means "shield."}

    Sorry if I "sounded" arrogant, but simply ask around the street what a target is in scripture. Congrats to you & your church for explaining this, & I hope they explain the other archaic terms in the KJV and the uncommon words in other versions, such as "satrap".
     
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    Well, someone in Philip's day certainly did. The Scripture read by the Ethiopian and Philip does NOT match Isaiah 53 in my KJV nor in my AV 1611 replica. Seems as if God wasn't limited to just one version of Greek or Hebrew any more than He is in English.
     
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    Orvie, if I slept to boost "beauty", I'd sleep 25 hours a day, 8 days a week.

    I see no replies from any KJVO to the double standards posted early in this thread. I am the second person to address this fact. Guess the KJVOs have all seen their myth was wrong & therefore have nothing to say.
     
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    Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
    Just "beating" you with your own stick.

    You research and seem to think it unnecessary for anyone else to research because you want them to take confidence in your research, that's ad-homynim.


    On the contrary, Sir, I've often exhorted others to take the time and read as much KJVO literature as possible and examine its points one-by-one for veracity. I openly tell anyone of the research I've done and remind them that if I, a person of average intelligence, can do it, so can they. Perhaps that's something YOU should do-study the history of how we came to have God's word, study as much pro-KJVO literature as possible, study as much anti-KJVO literature as possible, and check out the verscity of each from outside sources. With the Internet, that's much easier to do than it was in the early '80s when I did it in a library. For example, you can easily check out David Cloud's points against Gail Riplinger's New Age Bible Versions& her answers to Cloud's assertions.

    KJVO is not a "myth" as you call it, (ad-homynim again) it's real! Would you like it better if we called it ByzantineOnly?

    Yerp, it's a real myth, all right. Call it whatever you like, but whatever it is, we'll add the word "false" somewhere in that name or acronym.

    "Older manuscripts" is what all mv's boast as better, but the only problem is they contradict each other so much,They're Alexandrian. They are not Canon, even the KJ translators knew this, that is why they disregard them and stuck with the Byzantine, but you knew this didn't you?

    So the KJVO pulls a rabbit outta de hat & says, "This one!" The argument over the various mss has been going on for over a hundred years, and the KJVO seeks to arbitrarily solve it in 5 minutes without a shred of evidence. Kowabunga, dudes & dudettes!

    Good day, not Godspeed

    Have a nice day yourself!
     
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    I have found it strange that the KJVO's haven't addressed these double standards.I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, that's why the title starts w/ "Alleged...." Maybe we should have used this word as it meant in 1611, "Proven Doubled Standards..." "Allege" today means to assert, as I used it in the title, and it meant "Prove" Ironic, isn't it? :eek:
     
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