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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by butterbloom, Jan 27, 2002.

  1. butterbloom

    butterbloom New Member

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    Dr. Bob,

    I would never be able to tell my pastor. He is arrogant. ( I know, I know )
     
  2. TomVols

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    The point of this story makes my argument for expositional preaching through Biblical books. If done faithfully and applied completely, you avoid this kind of thing. Amazing what can happen when God's Word is preached :cool:
     
  3. jcrowe

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butterbloom:
    David,

    I made it up in order to express a point.

    I sm feeling like Johnny. Johnny's mother would probably be my husband or others in the church.

    Miss Roberts is my pastor.

    The little girl would be my best friend who delights in her church.
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    I would talk with the pastor. I know that it's not the easiest thing to do, but if you explain that you are needing meat, but getting milk I think that he would understand. If after speaking with him, nothing changes, I would consider changing churches. Before I was saved, I started going to a methodist church with my wifes family. This church was liberal enough to meet me where I was at. After a short time I needed to grow (and hear truly biblical sermons). I started visiting a local Southern Baptist church. I went from feeling like I had done my part by going to church on sunday to fealing God's conviction in my life, and knowing that there *should* be a differance between how Christians and non-Christians live their lives. Changing churches changed my life. I am now a man who longs to follow God's will for my life.
     
  4. butterbloom

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    jcrowe,

    Thank you for trying to help. I feel that circumstances will not let me confront the pastor or change churches.

    Your prayers would be appreciated.

    ~~butterbloom
     
  5. Ernie Brazee

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    I would ask if you attend more than one srevice?

    Our Pastor feeds us steak and mushrooms in the Bible Study hour, and an evangelistic message for visitors with a exhortation and rebuke at the "Worship Service", then on Sunday night and Wednesday it is meat and potatoes again. We have a Godly pastor who spends much time in prayer and study to prepare to feed us.

    I would suggest if you are a one service Christian, try some more meals.

    Ernie
     
  6. butterbloom

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    I couldn't stand more stale bread!
     
  7. Kathy

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    This just made me think of my previous Pastor and my current Pastor...sometimes during the message, I'm thinking to myself "whoa, ease up, we have brand new visitors" but David is right, I shouldn't think that way at all..I should be yelling PREACH IT! But as a lady I keep to myself...no usurping going on here LoL

    Kathy
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  8. David Cooke Jr

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    Butterbloom, You are a gifted writer! I am sorry to hear that such circumstances led to your story, though. Talk to your pastor. But I have to tell you, he probably is set in his ways. You may have to find a new church.
    This may not be a pleasant process.
    But you need to find the noursihment you need somewhere.
     
  9. David Cooke Jr

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    Butterbloom,
    I just re-read your original post. The pain you must feel in going to your church is evident. I'll say a prayer for you. In the meantime, have you though of attending your friend's church?
     
  10. butterbloom

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    Thanks David. I really can't ask my husband to change churches again. He is easily satisfied and enjoys some of the people there.
    I can't believe how few really good pastors there are. It's not that he is everything but he is very important to the "life" of the church.
    My friend's church is too far away for me to attend. Her pastor knows that it is important to bring the flock to maturity and even states so in the churches literature.
    I've seen more pastors act like dictators than pastors.
    You know, I didn't want to tell you all this, but I haven't been to church but a hand full of times in the past year.
    I do so much appreciate your prayers.
    It's not just for me, but for the pastors who have no sight of what we need.

    [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: butterbloom ]

    [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: butterbloom ]
     
  11. David Cooke Jr

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    Butterbloom, see if you can get tapes of some of your friend's pastor's sermons. Play them at home or in your car. I have tapes of Charles Poole, Edd Rowell and Fred Craddock, who are some of my favorite preachers. They also write good books. Maybe that can get you by until your prayer is answered.
    Good luck.
     
  12. Kathy

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    Butterbloom, I would be happy to send you some of my tapes from my old Preacher (SBC) who is an AWESOME teacher...I'd send them for free if you'd like, just let me know, I have about a dozen or so.

    Praying for you,
    Kathy
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  13. Dr. Bob

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    Many pastors are, by nature of the office, very autocratic and outspoken. They proclaim absolute truth from the Word, and many feel that their opinions on non-biblical areas are just as binding.

    But I have seen some genuinely humble men pastoring and having God do a great work. If you cannot approach your pastor as I suggested, then please find another church. Many are swayed with a pastor's pulpit ability, but I find that the LEAST of the endearing qualities.

    Start with I Tim. 3 and go down the list, making a "check-list" for yourself. Have your hubby fill one out, too. Start with your own pastor/church. It may open your spouse's eyes to a real problem.

    Then don't settle for anything less than the best. You can always develop new friends at a new church; but staying where you are at may cause your own soul to wither and die.
     
  14. butterbloom

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    Thank you for all of your suggestions. I have been listening to some other pastors like Dr. Jim Henry. I like the idea of getting my friend's pastors tapes. I think I will call them and ask about it.

    Kathy ( my best friend's name too ), thank you for your kind offer. You all have encouraged me to seek food elsewhere and even though in my mind I know that, it's good to hear it as a reminder to not let myself go unfed.

    Dr. Bob, I will look at 1 Tim. and do as you have said. ( At least for myself )


    I thought about mailing a copy of my story. but remaining anonomous, to my pastor but I guess that's not the right thing to do either. What do you think?

    Why doesn't the convention (SBC) emphasize maturity more? Don't the pastors take their cues from them?

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  15. TomVols

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    Since SB churches are autonomous, this is a tricky area. You have SB leaders all over the place calling for expository preaching, faithful discharge of pastoral duties, and Biblical character. We simply need to pray for pastors to be humble shepherds of the flock of God, feeding that flock with the entire Word of God. As you find a new church, seek a pastor who uncompromisingly preaches the Bible, if not one who preaches through the Bible as a main priority.
     
  16. TomVols

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butterbloom:

    Why do you think it is that so many ( at least the ones I've encountered ) lack this understanding?

    Do you think that too many choose and are not chosen? Or is it that they just don't get it?
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    I think it comes largely from laziness on the part of the pastors coupled with unScriptural expectations from the congregation. Visiting, administration, and other things are higher on most traditional, old line churches lists than preaching. Yet a Thom Rainer study recently published shows that the main factor in attracting people to a particular church is the preaching. Couplw this with the mandate from the Word for the pastor to preach the Word, and you have a paradigm for pastoral ministry. Sadly, this goes unheeded across our country in all denominations. May God change the hearts of our pastors.
     
  17. Clint Kritzer

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    You bring up a good point, Mr. Vols, in that at the end of the Gospel of John, Christ tells Peter that if he loves Him, then feed His sheep (the mature), and feed His lambs (the spiritually immature). This is, of course, the point of butterbloom's parable. Our spiritual selves cannot healthily exist on milk forever. One of the things I enjoy about having close friendships with my pastor and my 80 year old, ordained minister, Sunday School teacher is that I have an opportunity to talk to them about deeper and more profound scriptural meanings.

    This has been a very good thread, butterbloom.

    May God bless you

    - Clint
     
  18. butterbloom

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    I thought about that scripture "Feed My Sheep" too. I've never caught that Jesus said both "Feed my sheep" and "Feed my lambs". Interesting point you made.
     
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