America the Hated ?

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    I took some points from a column I read recently, and decided form an opinion, and propose a theory, here, so in my own words......

    Conservative, pro-American Angela Merkel beat Schroeder the anti-Bush chancellor of Germany.....

    In Canada, the C.P. Stephen Harper is now the P.M.....

    Pro-Bush John Howard won an historic third term down under.....

    And now, even France elects a conservative, who vowed "“America may count on our friendship, and France will always be near...."

    Perhaps this bunk about us being hated around the world is about as made up as the CBS documents. The thinking people around the globe are throwing the pacifists out & electing cowboys. Maybe those who hate Bush are the minority. And don't show me polls to prove me wrong, please. Show results.



    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAW!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    So, you don't want to see polls, just results. Hmm.

    Perhaps this support for America will translate into assistance with the quagmire we have in Iraq.....

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    Yep. Just like they should have been years ago. A world united against nazis reduced them to a laughingstock. Just think what a world united against islamofacism could do.


    BTW, remember the polls saying how far ahead Kerry was ?:laugh: I'm sure if I hung out a Starbucks, I could come up with a pretty convincing, and completely irrelevant poll. Results matter.
     
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    Sorry, I answered you on my lunch hour. To address your points:


    Okay, here goes.



    That’s not exactly what happened. As I recall, that election was extremely close. Checking on wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_2005], I found that Merkel did not, in fact, beat Schroeder. In fact, the CDU received LESS votes than the SPD – about 3 million less. Through a coalition, Merkel was able to defeat Schroeder. That’s not exactly a mandate, to usurp the VP.



    That too was a narrow-margin victory, wasn’t it?
    [http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/02/06/harper-ottawa060206.html]
    Even Harper himself concedes that point:


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/01/23/mainelecstory060123.html



    Again, according to wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_legislative_election,_2004], it was a coalition.



    This was not as close, as the Sarkozy received about 53% of the vote, but the French are notoriously fickle. Also, there are reports of protests as well. Again, a nice victory but not exactly a mandate either.



    The documents were made up, but what about what was contained in those documents? Has anyone ever been successful at debunking what they contained?




    You are a tad premature. Let’s see if our soldiers get reinforcements from any of those countries.



    Well, perhaps in France, but the elections you have specifically mentioned really don’t support this contention.

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    A world united against nazis reduced them to a laughingstock. Just think what a world united against islamofacism could do.

    SOURCE

    Maybe you have fascism confused with something else?
     
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    The quagmire is the propaganda created by the radical leftist liberals, designed to condition the minds of the weak, in order to topple this President, and to insure Congress never ever leaves Democrat control.
     
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    Only the Bush acolytes refuse to acknowledge that Iraq is a quagmire. The rest of us see it precisely for what it is. That's okay: this is true regardless of whether or not you want to accept it.

    BTW, "radical leftist liberals" is a Sean Hannity phrase, isn't it? Or perhaps Michael Savage?
     
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    Bush's Folly in Iraq is certainly a quagmire. It threatens to end up eventually destroying the GOP as a viable national political party if the Republicans don't stand up to President Bush and put the interests of the United States ahead of propping up a failing president.
     
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    No way out, no end in sight.

    Regards, KenH - haven't seen you in a while,
    BiR (heading back to Arkansas next month)
     
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    Not only has Iraq become our quagmire, we have to face other realities.

    1. Since there are no WMD's which was the primary reason this administration said it had to go to war in Iraq, then we have just invaded a sovereign country which despite its reputation is still a sovereign country not at war with the United States. We are aggressors. No if's and but's about it.

    2. Having done that we also toppled a countryl's leader when we had no business doing so. If we say Saddam is a cruel despot, then why haven't we moved against the North Korean president who is just as cruel. If we say that Saddam was a threat to the United States, then why have we not moved against the Iranian idiot who is just as much a threat to this country, and openly so.

    America the hated ?

    I don't think so.

    Maybe America the clown will work.
     
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    The U.N. along with Bill Clinton signed regieme change papers concerning Iraq. I'm not aware of any other country that this was the case.

    We would have gone to Iraq no matter who was president. We should accept that.
     
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    Oh no! Oh no!

    Please don't use the dreaded "q" word on us! :praying:

    It''s so.... frightening.
     
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    It's way more frightening to see American's defending fascist policies without question imho.
     
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    Strange, I thought you didn't believe in "conspiracy theories" yet here you are fully endorsing and further propagating one. :laugh:
     
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    And yet when we did the UN was throwing tantrums along with France, if I recall correctly.
    All the more reason to kick them hypocrites outta the US !!
     
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    In other words, you believe that the war in Iraq is just, that it will be won, and that Iraq will end up with a democratic government. Correct?
     

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