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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Dr. Bob, Apr 1, 2004.

  1. Dr. Bob

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    The old "Northern Baptist Convention" still has many churches. To most of my ilk (ifb and reformed baptist) we have NO CO-OPERATION or fellowship with them and consider many to be way on the liberal edge of the Baptist birds!

    But have met folks on the BB who were in American Baptist Convention churches and did not have that same experience.

    Would YOU or YOUR CHURCH cooperate or fellowship with an ABC church? Would you attend one? Looking for pro's and con's for a BB "lurker" who opts not to post but asked me this question.

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  2. Johnv

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    Since I'm not familiar with the ABC, just curious. What makes them liberal? I'm likely not the only person on the board to be understandably curious.
     
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    Depends on the ABC. Some are quite sound and some are quite liberal. Out where I live many of the pastors have graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary or some other conservative school. Then there are those elsewhere who have just graduated with zero passion and knowledge.
     
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    I am ABC, and I agree with gb. Around here most ABC churches are like conservative SBCers. We are still fundamental. But elsewhere, there are women pastors. I have even heard of some praying to the she god. But they are few and far between..
    the Homo issue came up a few years ago and the ABC stood against it. That was good.

    To answer your question in WV I have no problem being ABC, but if I ever moved elsewhere, I'd check out what the local association stood for before joining a ABC church.
     
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    The ABC recently started a gay church in Philly. Women as pastors have gained ground in recent years. There have been attempts to take gender out of the Bible as well as Sunday School material. Before my sister died she was an ABC pastor. She was writing gender neutral Sunday School material for children. The church that I go to now does not and will not fwellowship with ABC Churches. I left over several issues, the main one was their heavy involvement with the Masonic Temple.
     
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    Have in the past fellowshiped with ABC churches and would consider it again. I make those kind of decisions based on the individuals not the denominational label.
     
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    "The ABC recently started a gay church in Philly"

    That's a new one to me. What is the name of the "church"? How can the ABC start one that goes against it's own resolution that declares homosexuality wrong?

    What is the local and regional convention/association name? Or did the Church bypass the local level and appeal ABC-USA for membership on it's own?

    How many officially (documented) welcoming and affirming ABC churches are there? If you know of one let me know, as I would like to investigate this. Feel free to PM me. And if they have a website, link it as well. I am not one to set quietly by!

    Thank you. Tim
     
  8. Jim Ellis

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    Bro. Tim we have one in Granville, Ohio.
    First Baptist Granville. [​IMG]
    It is an ABC-USA tied in with Rochester, NY
    not our ABC-Ohio convention, my Pastor helped in getting the removed from ABC-Ohio, but I'm sorry to say the still are nationally affiliated. :mad:
     
  9. Jim Ellis

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    As far as I've looked, 1st Baptist Granville, OH has no web site. That's probably a good thing! :D :D
     
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    Tim said:

    The ABC-USA has recently organized a separate association, the Evergreen Baptist Association, partly because of the dispute about homosexuality. Most of the Evergreen churches are in Washington, but they are not part of the ABC of the Northwest. My understanding is that the ABC opted to create a separate association/regional organization rather than have the argument played out within the Northwest region.

    However, association officials say only two of the churches are "gay friendly" and are interested in a wide range of diversity issues.

    CHRISTIAN CENTURY ARTICLE

    A bit of history (from one side) on the situation:


    web page

    The Philadelphia church, I think, is Fusion Baptist Church, sponsored by Drexel Hill Baptist Church.

    PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER STORY

    I cannot answer your original question.

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    Granville First Baptist Church is a member of the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists.
     
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    Thanks you all, I will be looking into these.
     
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    In Casper, the local First Baptist (ABC) was the ONLY Baptist church in town in 1893-1955. By then, however, it was already splitting over ordaining women, lack of Gospel preaching, rank liberalism in the schools and denominational leaders.

    Two men who had left the ABC and were Conservative Baptist of America pastors came and pitched a tent and held meetings. Ad in the paper listed the "evils" of the ABC and invited disenchanted Baptists to come help start a new baptist work that was conservative, not liberal.

    ALL of the deacons of First Baptist left! so did many members. Calvary Baptist, Emmanuel Baptist and Riverview Baptist - all conservative started in the three areas of Casper in 1957. In 2004 we have 8 IFB churches in Casper.

    In 1958 First Southern Baptist was formed to meet the need of SBC workers in the oil patch. In 2004 we have 12 SBC churches in Casper.

    In 1968 a black congregation began. There is no place on earth more segregated than in the 11:00 a.m. Sunday hour. In 2004 we have 2 black Baptist churches in Casper.

    First Baptist (ABC) also split into a more conservative congregation, so we have 2 ABC churches in Casper. Sadly, women pastors, rank liberalism, ecumenical ties and lack of preaching the Gospel -- it no longer requires baptism by immersion for membership!! -- has linked the ABC with the Methodist, Lutheran and Catholic.

    Even the most "moderate" (liberal) SBC group is far to the right of the ABC here.
     
  14. Debby in Philly

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    I have related my story several times on the BB. My church was ABC for over 100 years, until last year. The last straw for us was when a "Welcoming and Affirming" church in CALIFORNIA was admitted as a member of the Philadelphia Baptist Association, because the Western region would not accept them. The PBA did this without consulting the association membership. We had been talking about leaving ABCUSA for a while, but that move galvanized us to action.

    The truth is, you find almost any mix from conseravative to liberal within the ABC. They hold very tightly to the local church autonomy distinctive. However, there are some issues where you might find the local association a bit more bossy on than others. Our last pastor, who recently retired, had been a member of our church before he became pastor. He had been to seminary, but never had served as a pastor. When we sought ordination from the PBA, they refused because he refused to go along with their official stance on the ordination of women. They did say that we as a congregation could ordain him, and that they would be OK with that, so that is what we did.

    When the admission of the gay church took place, we left the PBA (and therefore the ABC), and are now affiliated with CBA. I had not heard of the church sponsored by Drexel Hill, but from past knowledege of that congregation, I am sad to say I am not surprised.
     
  15. LarryN

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    I know of some ABC churches that are very conservative.

    Then there are ABC churches like this one:

    http://www.ubcmn.org/page6.htm

    This is from the website of one of the local ABC churches here in Minneapolis.
     

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