American Revolution

Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Phillip, Feb 16, 2005.

  1. Phillip

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    I throw this out just for discussion.

    If England had won the war during our struggle for freedom, would we now be looking at the American Revolutionists as bad rebels who tried to break up the crown? Would it be similar to the way we feel about the Confederacy and the fact that the country managed to hang together rather than split?

    What would our history read like today?
     
  2. Pastor Larry

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    I don't think we should look at the confederacu as "bad rebels who tried to break up the country." They were people in tune with the constitution and the issue of states' rights.
     
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    If England had won the war I would view those brave men who fought for America's freedom as patriots who were marytered for what they believed in, just like I view those brave men who fought against Lincoln as patriots who were marytered trying to protect their homes, the Constitution and states' rights.

    What would our history read like today?

    The schools would probably teach lies about the patriots in the American Revolution like they currently do about the Confederate patriots from the War of Northern Aggression.
     
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    Interesting question.

    If England had won the war and we were still under her rule, I'm guessing we would be enjoying many of the same rights we have now because: (1) so many of them originated there and those in the Revolution were seeking to defend their rights as Englishmen, and (2) I think that eventually, Great Britain would have come to incorporate many of our own American ideals into her own system. I think, though, that we might have eventually still rebelled over the issue of Parliamentary supremacy and the unwritten British constitution.

    BTW, I'm about to post a thread on the Ninth Amendment. Since I value all you guys' opinions, I hope that you, and others, will contribute.
     
  5. billwald

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    If there had been no war we wouldn't be any worse off now than Canada is, which means just fine.
     
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    "State's Rights" has always, it seemed to me, been a code word for Jim Crow...
     
  7. Bro. James Reed

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    Yes, tp, don't you know that we're all just aching to get the blacks out of our schools, churches, cities, etc, etc, etc. :rolleyes:

    "Federal Government" has always, it seemed to me, been a code word for Communism...
     
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    Sorry, James, for daring to share an opinion.
     
  9. Bro. James Reed

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    No need to apologize.

    You're free to share any opinion you want, within BB rules of course, but I'm also free to object to that opinion and give my own.

    Isn't America great? :D
     
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    To me that confederate battle flag represents
    an explicit affirmation of slavery thank God
    they lost...musuems should display it, but for
    it making a comeback on the public square and
    its apologists trying to spin states rights
    "would have worked itself out eventually" are
    decieving themselves...I thank God that we
    have people who recorded black history ..people
    don't realize after Rutherfor B. Hayes sold
    the blacks out...100's of thousands of lynchings
    took place...I will never ever forget the
    photograph of a black woman hanging from a
    bridge in oklahoma and men standing over her
    in self righeousness...pure evil.

    I would encourage anyone and everyone to read
    black history..it will change your mind and
    turn you around (repent).

    As for the question about Revolutionary war
    and against the naive feelings that sooner
    or later our freedom would have worked itself
    out ...when people have righteous feelings
    at the moment and act upon them instead of

    "gee I think if we just wait it will just be
    okay"

    then they are being righteous and moved by
    the holy spirit period.

    I thank God for the firebrands of courage who
    acted by faith...hoping and knowing something
    better would come of it...what great faithers
    our founding fathers were.
     
  11. Phillip

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    Wow, shouldn't have mentioned the North/South war. ....Seem to be getting more concerning it than the revolution with England. Oh well, its a free country. I'm not complaining if that's what you want to talk about.
     
  12. ASLANSPAL

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    oh come on don't sound sooooo [inappropriate word deleted] I think
    you knew exactly what you were doing.

    The bottom line our great founders of our
    nation were not going to let things "just evolve"
    and hope for the best,they took the bull by
    horns becuase they knew what they were doing
    was right against a very arrogant and condescending Kings policies.

    What say you Phillip now that you have flushed
    out a lot of opinions or are you just gonna
    wait for things to evolve or do you have the
    courage to express an opinion ...its easy
    to stir it and stand on the sidelines now
    isn't it.

    [ February 24, 2005, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
     
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    Just to make it a little more interesting.... A failed American Revolution could have created a situation like Ireland is in today. They failed to break off from England but have carried the fight forward through terrorist means.
     
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    I think this country would have devolved into a worse mess than it is in now.
    JMO

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
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    "State's Rights" has always, it seemed to me, been a code word for Jim Crow... </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe, maybe not. However it is a constitutional restriction on the Federal government that should have never been diminished and that should be reasserted now.
     
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    "State's Rights" has always, it seemed to me, been a code word for Jim Crow... </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe, maybe not. However it is a constitutional restriction on the Federal government that should have never been diminished and that should be reasserted now. </font>[/QUOTE]Good point.
     
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    I don't know how you feel about the Patriots of the American Confederacy Philip but I feel exactly the same way about them that I do about the Patriots of the American revolution. They just lost.

    As far as the question what would the world be like if we had lost our war with Great Britain, I think we would have eventually won our freedom (Canada, Australia, and India did). The big difference I see would have come in the westward expansion of the United States. If we were still fighting England I think the western half of North America would look very different.

    Imagine, no Lewis and Clark, no Louisiana purchase, Texas as an independent Nation, Louisiana as a French Colony, California belonging to Mexico. It could have happened that way.
     
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    Thank God.

    I shudder to think what would have happened if the South had won, and been able to continue for the next several decades in their enslavement of other human beings.
     
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    More than likely, the hard feelings against blacks and northerners would not have been anything like they were through the 1960's. Blacks would have had civil rights in the south when the south decided to end slavery. The south would almost certainly be looked at today as more welcoming of all people because northern policies of breaking down the southern will would not have been implemented and therefore hard feelings would not have arisen.

    True, slavery would have lasted a few more years. But, the wealthy people of the south, those who owned slaves, would soon have realized that more money was to be made in factory jobs with skilled workers, not with slaves on plantations. Therefore, they would have pushed to end slavery and bring the south into the industrial revolution as well due to the money.

    Of course, we can only speculate, but just from the looks of things today (all levels of the workplace, education, and housing) the south is far more integrated than the north, and has fewer racism-involved riots as well.

    Many northerners who were aginst slavery did so because they didn't want black people to be allowed to move to new states and territories, as slaves or otherwise. They wanted blacks to be confined to the southern states, for the most part. Of course, we see that many moved to northern areas where they have treated badly ever since by many people. Such just isn't as much the case in the south, at least anymore. The difference is it's expected down here, so everyone just assumes that we're all racist, or former racists, and that if we hold the view the south was right and should have won that we are encouraging slavery. It is my belief that the legalized slavery that followed the War between the States, in forms of Jim Crow type laws, both in the north and the south, would either had not happen or to a much smaller extent than they did had the south won.

    Slavery ended all over the world very peacably. You can see from other countries that racism is not nearly as rampant, or at least not as publicized, as it is in the U.S. I believe that is due to the way which slavery ended in those countries, without war and without malice towards those people and others. Why could not that have happened here?
     
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