An Answer To Alcoholic Beverages

In another thread, EdSutton asked if the word alcohol is in the Bible. While it cannot be found in the KJV, there are three Modern Versions that use the Word that I know of. Following are those verses.

 

As a matter of fact, Rippon, doctors have proven that the health benefits that are found in wine are found in grape juice prior to it's being fermented.

The alcohol in wine has been proven to be dangerous to health.

Jesus did in fact create a wine that was not alcoholic. It was recognized for its taste, not for alcohol content.

And Timothy was told to drink non alcoholic wine as its benifits were good. But that juice, just like honey, is not good for the stomach if too much is taken.

 

You truly have not done your homework, have you. Try reading the Word of God for starters. It is where you will find Jesus did not drink alcohol. It is where you will find the wine at the communion table and the wine prescribed to Timothy was not alcohol.

I have spoken to doctors, experts on the effects of alcohol...

Oh, that's right, you don't believe doctors reports.

Well, guess since you want ot be ignorant of the truth, as Paul said, let them be ignorant still.

 

Your denying the truth that that wine was not alcoholic does not make it any less a truth.

 

No assumption at all. It is all assertion based on the Word of God.

 

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and​

death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for all​

have sinned. Romans 5:12
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When man sinned, a vast change took place in his spiritual
condition. Spiritual and physical death was sentenced upon him
(Genesis 3:3). Even the animals turned wild, judging by Isaiah
11:1-8, which shows that the animals will again become tame
when Jesus Christ restores peace to a sinful world.

There was also a change in the earth through God’s curse:

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened​

unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of​

which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it:​

cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou​

eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles​

shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb​

of the field; (Genesis 3:17,18)​

Since as this text clearly shows, that the food being brought
from the earth was to bring sorrow to man, we can see that the
destructive laws of fermentation was one of a number of
processes that God put into operation because of man’s sin.
Although the above Bible text does not specifically mention fer-
mentation, it must still naturally apply here. Seeing it is
connected with death, and death with sin. It is therefore obvi-
ously clear that God did not intend that man should drink in any








quantity, something which was symbolic of sin and death, and
which was also harmful to his body and mind.

Alcohol is not a natural product of the creative hand of God,
but rather a repulsive agent of sin which man in his unregenerate
mind uses against himself. Patton quotes Dr. Henry Monroe in
his lecture on alcohol, as saying:

Alcohol is nowhere to be found in any product of nature;​

was never created by God; but is essentially an artifical​

thing prepared by man through the destructive process​

of fermentation.​

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Exerpt from 'Wine in the Bible and the Scriptural Case for Total Abstinence' by Leighton G. Campbell. Chapter 2
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You are forgetting npetreley...

God's Word does give permission to eat hamburger

but He did not give permission to drink alcoholic beverage.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you

Fermentation is a symbol of death. It is unclean.

 

You are grasping at straws to fight against the Word of God; a battle you cannot win. Quit trying to justify alcohol in the life of a Christian. God's Word forbids it, you cannot change God's Word.

 

Let us now look at some New Testament passages which
some say permit “temperate” indulgences in alcohol:

The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as ​

becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much ​

wine, teachers of good things; (Titus 2:3)​

Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not doubletongued, ​

not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; (1 ​

Timothy 3:8)​

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stom-​

ach's sake and thine often infirmities. (1 Timothy 5:23)​

The Christian must be honest in facing these supposed “dif-
ficulties,” realizing that irrespective of how things may seem,
God’s perfect and Holy character and standard will always be
Untainted, Let God be true, but every man a liar. (Romans 3:3)
Hebrews 11:6 states:

But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he​

that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is​

a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.​

The Christian life is a life of faith, the believer knows (even
though he does not see everything) that God is what He says He
is. That is, He is Holy, Pure, Unchangeable, and Perfect. It is hard
therefore to understand how people who profess to have been
transformed by the blood of Christ could ever imagine that God
would sanction the use (in any quantity) of such a deadly sub-
stance such as alcohol. Some even go as far as suggesting that
Jesus Christ, God’s perfect Son, turned water into alcoholic wine
and that He drank alcoholic or intoxicating wine Himself.
Drunkenness would have been the obvious result or at least
encouraged, considering the vast quantity of water He changed
into wine, approximately 120-180 gallons!

Considering God’s Holy character, there must be a perfectly
good explanation for the above passages and any others that may
pose any problem. God cannot contradict Himself:

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and ​

cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no ​

variableness, neither shadow of turning. (James 1:17)​

We will now examine 1 Timothy 3:8, and Titus 2:3, together
Because of their similarities. They read:

Likewise [must] the deacons [be] grave, not doubletongued, not given to much​

wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; (1 Timothy 3:8)​

The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as ​

becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much ​

wine, teachers of good things; (Titus 2:3)​

There are those who one reading these texts automatically
assume that the wine mentioned is of the alcoholic type, hence
allowing for moderation with respect to intoxication, but this is
not necessarily the case.

1 Timothy 3:8 and Titus 2:3, when referring to “much wine,”
does not in any way make allowances for so-called “temperate”
drinking. Even if one assumes that the wine spoken of is alco-
holic, Barnes quotes Bloomfield on 1 Timothy 3:8, in explaining
this point:

The word much is added here to what is said of the ​

qualification of a bishop. It is not affirmed that it would ​

be proper for the deacon, any more than the bishop, to ​

indulge in the use of wine in small quantities, but it is ​

affirmed that a man who is much given to the use of ​

wine, ought not, on any consideration, to be a deacon. It ​

may be remarked here, that this qualification was ​

everywhere regarded as necessary for a minister of reli-​

gion. Even the heathen priests, on entering a temple, ​

did not drink wine.​

Adam Clarke in his exposition makes it clear that the text in no
way makes room for drinking whatsoever, even if one assumes that
the wine spoken of was of the alcoholic nature. He states:

Neither a drunkard, tippler, nor what is called a jovial ​

companion. All this would be inconsistent with gravity.​

Now returning to the alternative idea that the wine referred to
In 1 Timothy 3:8 and Titus 2:3 was not necessarily alcoholic, we will now focus our attention further on Titus 2:3 in explaining this point:

The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as ​

becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much ​

wine, teachers of good things; (Titus 2:3)​

Exerpt from "Wine in the Bible and the Scriptural Case for Total Abstinence" by Leighton Campbell

Will continue after I get some sleep.ZZZZZzzzzzz
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