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An Answer To Alcoholic Beverages

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by His Blood Spoke My Name, Jun 19, 2007.

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  1. His Blood Spoke My Name

    His Blood Spoke My Name New Member

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    You guys can jest all you want, make fun of the Word of God all you want, mock my screen name all you want (even after being told not to do so, Dale). If you don't see Christ for who He is, you will stand before Him ashamed.
     
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    So you're not going to answer my question?? Does seeing Christ for who he is depend on alcoholic versus non-alcoholic wine?? If I believe that He had a dark brown hair, but He really had jet black hair, am I doomed for eternity? How about if you think Jesus said a cuss word when He flipped the tables in the temple. If I think Jesus got so angry that He probably cussed, does that mean I believe in a different Jesus? Did Jesus say that people will know Him by whether or not they believe He consumed alcohol??

    Please just clarify for me. We are about to reach a theological breakthrough.
     
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  3. His Blood Spoke My Name

    His Blood Spoke My Name New Member

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    You are misunderstanding the Word of God concerning this subject. I suggest you seek the answer in His Word.
     
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    dan, I have answered the question in the past. Christ would not have been sinless had he partook of that which the Word of God calls the poison of dragons. He would not have been sinless had He drank that which is called a deceiver in the Word of God.

    Christ stated in the gospels that His kingdom 'was not of this world'. That clearly points out to His Kingship. He was stating there that He is a King... not of this world, but another... but still a King.

    Kings according to the law given by God were not to drink wine. Christ could not have drank wine.
     
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  5. dan e.

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    So it is official then. Your interpretaton holds that anyone who believes that the wine Jesus miraculously made, possibly drank, was alcoholic could not possibly believe in the "correct" Jesus. THerefore, my understanding is that you are saying that those people (even though they may not even drink much, if at all themselves) could not be saved, because it is a different Jesus. This is all despite that they believe Jesus was sinless, died as a propitiation, rose from the dead, and have repented of their sins.

    Is this correct?
     
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    it is correct but good luck getting a clear answer
     
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    I have asked this very question dan e. and walked away with the same answer. I was left to surmise that those of us who believe that Jesus turned the water into literal wine and drank literal wine are not saved based on this interpretation.
     
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  8. dan e.

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    Well, there has been no objection to our impressions as of yet. I think there is a greater problem in that soteriology than in the issue of whether or not Jesus turned water into alcoholic or nonalcoholic wine. I wouldn't touch a ministry or direct someone wanting to know Jesus to any ministry with a view of salvation like that. Its unbiblical.
     
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    I've posted this before. It's the second part of a MacArthur sermon on "Do not be Drunk with Wine" http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1937.htm

    It's got some great descriptions on biblical wine from a pastor I really trust who is willing to honestly address the subject.
     
    #89 mcdirector, Jun 20, 2007
  10. dan e.

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    I think it is wrong.....yet would never doubt his salvation because he believes that way.

    Note: I'm not talking about your MacArthur post...I'm talking about my post before it.
     
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    MacArthur preached that message with a biased view. He said that all the wine in the Bible was alcoholic... some more than others.

    He is wrong. Not all wine was alcoholic.

    He claimed oinos was only alcoholic. It was not only alcoholic.

    Apparently MacArthur does not understand context... along with many othere.
     
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    Me neither.
     
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    I think he did a very good job of preaching it without bias.
     
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    Come on mc...

    oinos was either fermented or unfermented. Context will show that. Yet MacArthur said it was only fermented.

    Sounds bias to me.
     
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    We're all waiting for an answer. Why wont HBSMN step up. This cannot be considered a foolish question.
     
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    BIAS! Look who's talking about being biased! Don't make me laugh! :laugh:

    still waiting for an answer.
     
    #96 dan e., Jun 20, 2007
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    It was very much without bias. He pointed out how they mixed wine with water, so that their common "wine" actually had as little alcohol as the "near beer" of today (the stuff that even 18 year olds can buy in some states). As he said, you'd have to drink a ton of it to get drunk.
     
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    If I am biased, I am biased toward the Word of God... which is what God requires all of His to be.
     
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    You must be reading a different document than the link mc provided. It does not even have the word ton in it.
     
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    Those who advocate the drinking of alcohol certainly are not going to think MacArthur's message was bias. He is preaching what they want to hear... tickling their ears.
     
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