An examination of Sandi Patti

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  1. ScottEmerson

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    Okay, here's my bias - I love Sandi Patti. I've listened to her since I was five and her first album came out. I was raised on the Friendship Company albums. I like her music now.

    She's has taken a lot of flak about what she did in having the affair and marrying the guy. This was wrong. It was sin. She did ask for forgiveness from God and confessed her sins publicly. She continues to sing great Christian music, which a large percentage of people lambast as being sung by an adultress.

    King David once had an affair with a woman and married her. No one at the time, except for the prophet Nathan, knew what had happened. He asked forgiveness from God, yet did not confess his sins publically. He continued to write great Hebrew psalms, which no one lambasts as being sung by an adulterer.

    Does anyone else see a parallel here about our role in forgiving a believer who stumbled? Or does this just make people mad that I would have the audacity to make such a comparison.
     
  2. Molly

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    I think if true repentance has taken place,then reconciliation should take place. If God has forgiven her and she has made her life right,then I don't think it is wrong to buy or listen to her music. Did she go back to her husband or marry the new guy?
     
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    She didn't. But David offered no reconciliation, either.
     
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    None of us knows all of the facts, only God truly does. So, I guess we should let God do what God needs to do...That being said, on the face of it, what she did was sinful. The question is, "is it forgiveable?" The answer, I believe is "yes". Look at David. Adultery. Murder. Marries another man's wife in the process. Was he forgiven? Yes. Was the marriage valid? Yes. And from it, came Solomon, and the lineage of Jesus Christ. But not without a lot of pain and suffering. David's family was torn apart. So was his kingdom. But God DID forgive David, did recognize his marriage, and did use him again. And funny thing too, David loved the Lord. Yes, he failed the Lord miserably-perhaps more than all of us on BB have. But regardless,despite his own failings, he truly did love the Lord. So, in regard to Sandi Patti (and what about Amy Grant?), I'd say the same. Forgive. It's likely the Lord already has.
     
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    I agree! I love Sandi Patti music as well....God has forgiven her, and even more, he remembers the sin no more. Of course, sin is sin...period....no sin is greater than another. So, how is she any different from the rest of us? I say buy her music, enjoy it is you like it.... [​IMG]

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    One of the reasons why divorce/remarriage is such a heinous sin and disqualifying to ministers (who are to be "above reproach") is that there is no way to "solve the problem" once it happens.

    Sandi got divorced and remarried, a continuous problem that can't be repented of and restitution and reconciliation made. This is not one like murder that is a one-time event and can be confessed and repented and never done again.

    Puts her "ministry" in a theological limbo.
     
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    Dr Bob, I'm surprised at your response. The only way to 'solve the problem'? The answer is GRACE.
     
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    That is whay I was asking,Dr. Bob...That is such a confusing issue because if she truly repented she would be back with her first husband...but if she repented after she was already remarried,then she can not divorce again(double sin) to go back to the first husband....???

    I have a hard time with this one as well.

    The best thing...don't fall into this sin to begin with...there is much warning about it in scripture and it does so much damage than can not be made right once it is done. Yes,she can be forgiven,but there are still consequences to her sinful choices.

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    Also,I have not bought either(Sandi's or Amy's) since these things came out and I used to enjoy both of their music. They can be forgiven,but I have a hard time buying their stuff...I like the life to match the message! Call me crazy! ;)
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, didn't she give up custody of her children to her first husband?

    Julia
     
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    Jude, I'm NOT surprised at your response! :D

    Repentance, a forgotten doctrine, is part of the package of Christianity. When a person commits sin, she CAN repent and give evidence of grace through a changed life.

    Divorce is the one really thorny issue, since she now is remarried and CANNOT repent and give evidence of that life-changing grace.

    That's all I'm saying. Trying not to be the "judge" and "jury" - just giving a position based on biblical principles.
     
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    Dr Bob, I'm certainly not one to avoid Biblical principles. Divorce IS a sin, though perhaps no-more 'heinous' than slander or greed or pride. And I do think that you are right, in the sense that a divorced (and remarried)person has absolutely no chance to 'repent' in the fullest sense of that word. S/he cannot 'go back' to the first marriage. And we must take the words of Jesus very seriously here. Any second marriage IS an 'act' of adultery, just as Jesus said, for it effectively breaks the first covenant. The question is, it seems to me, is the 'breaker' of the first covenant forgivable? Is one 'perpetually' an adulterer? Is this adultery an 'act' or a 'state'? Of divorce, Jesus said, (Mat 19:11 NIV) "...Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given." I guess I would say that 'repentance', as you properly define it, is not possible for one who has divorced and remarried. What IS possible is SORROW, REMORSE, a heart that cries out to God for forgiveness, i.e. confession. I believe that God forgives such a heart...just as He would anyone else who cannot 'turn back the clock', but is still very-sorrowful over breaking God's Law and hurting other people. The Christian community MUST hold a very-high standard for marriage. (and this includes not marrying people who are too young or too ignorant of what marriage truly means). But it must also, it seems to me, hold up God's grace and mercy as well. A very-difficult task indeed.
     
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    :confused: I would have to vehemently disagree with this statement. Divorce is *not* a sin. God Himself put away Israel for her spiritual adultery. To say that divorce is a sin is to accuse God of sinning. This cannot be. It is the course one takes after the divorce that is sinful or not.

    In Christ,
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    How is it sin?...the couple are obviously disobeying the command to become one. God said the two shall become one flesh....the only time a married couple is allowed to be separated physically was for prayer and fasting. Divorce violates scriptural commands.

    Divorce,therefore,is sin and against God's plan.
     
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    Can you back up divorce being a sin with scripture? Christ Himself said that "If a man divorces his wife and marries another it is adultery. Also the OT commands husbands not to deal treacherously with the wife of their youth. And... as I said before
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    "...excepting for the cause of porneia [fornication; sexual immorality]..." {Jesus-- Matthew 5:32}
     
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    Scripture quite clearly states that a man is supposed to love his wife as Christ loves His church (me and you). Now, I don't know about you, but the idea of Christ getting tired of me and separating Himself from me forever is very frightening.
     
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    Deuteronomy 24:3 and the second husband also divorces her or dies, 4 the former husband may not marry her again, for she has been defiled. That would be detestable to the LORD. You must not bring guilt upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession.


    Jeremiah 3:1 "If a man divorces a woman and she marries someone else, he is not to take her back again, for that would surely corrupt the land. But you have prostituted yourself with many lovers, says the LORD. Yet I am still calling you to come back to me.


    Divorce IS a sin but I believe scripture teaches us to forgive our spouse, if they ask for forgiveness, as God forgives us.

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    CAn you back this statement up with *scripture*!?!

    In Christ,
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  20. AdoptedDaughter

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    CAn you back this statement up with *scripture*!?!

    In Christ,
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    This last verse was spoken by Christ himself. Now...for the adultery being a sin...let me post that verse for you as well...

     

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