And now for the "why don't"s...

Catholics have never said that "Jesus Christ is the same god as Allah." You pulled that from your own brain. The Catechism says that Muslims acknoledge God the creator. First off, this would be referring to God the Father, not God the Son. Second off, the Catechism never says that it is the same God, but that we have common ground that will someday hopefully lead to more common ground (converting Muslims to Christianity). Stop reading stuff in.

 

WHEW! This thread reminds me of a movie I saw as a kid...

Gunfight at OK Corral.

HankD

 

You just condemned me and slandered against the LCMS church. You have shown no evidence of the LCMS Church becoming anything like the ELCA, so that statement is wholly unjustified. Furthermore, the issues separating the WELS and LCMS that you listed have nothing to do with what we are talking about. Boy Scouts? Please relate THAT to the discussion at hand.

Furthermore, I have never condemned anyone, especially you. I love you, and God loves you, and I admire your fervent faith. You make bold accusations that are often not accompanied with any evidence, or are rather mean-spirited (as Clint even pointed out). Whoever, the WELS considers Catholics as Christian brethren, and the Catholic Church considers Lutherans their Christian brethren.

How then are you condemning me? That really, really hurts me.

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

ok ok ok!!! you're right about the dates! i was WRONG! okay!!!! Golly!

 

I apologize to anyone offended by the way this thread has moved. I do promise you that I'm not sitting her just spouting stuff off. With each question that is posed or quote that is quoted, I'm looking it up. This has been a wonderful learning experience for me. I've learned quite a bit about the WELS in the process. However, Tulpje has been making very hasty statements about my beliefs which have no ground. She will not deny that the Pope is the anti-Christ and that her church has the correct teachings on this...but she has never read of the Lutheran Confessions? I firmly believe that any Lutheran who is going to debate needs to know full well what their own church teaches. I don't come on here without a copy of the Confessions, two Bibles (Protestant and Catholic Canon), and the Catholic Catechism.

I do not agree with unsupported statements such as these, and I will defend them as best as possible. I will not tolerate mean-spirited things when they are full of logical holes, because that's not fair to the people who hold the beliefs that someone is condemning.

Again, I apologize to Tulpje, and I do not think that she is either lost or condemned. Where all here because we seek the truth. We all differ on the truth as well, but that doesn't mean we should condemn one another for it.

 

tulpje,
You are wrong about the pope being the anti-Christ and you are wrong on much about Catholicism. If you are going to debate other's beliefs and practices, you at least need to understand what they truly do teach and practice.
Pauline

 

Your first verse makes an excellent case for Catholicism. You are the one who turned away, closed your eyes, put your hands to your ears, and condemned the Catholic Church. Catholics, on the other hand, see with perfect clarity what confuses the living daylights out of you.

Same for the second verse. Read our thread from an objective point of view. You've called me names, admitted you dont' know the Confessions, and condemned me personally. Who isn't hearing?

 

Ugh, network went down over the weekend. Put me way behind the curve for this thread looks like I am out. I just don't have the time to spare to go back and catch up.

Link to apocrypha q&a http://www.lcms.org/cic/apocryph.htm

Yall have fun.

 

Dear Tulpje,

I am a former Catholic and have caused Catholics on the BB a goodly amount of grief.

OK, you have made a strong case for the OFFICE of pope as antichrist.

Allow me to play the Devil's Advocate (so to speak).

What are the ONLY places in the Scripture where the word "antichrist" is used and defined by a specific criteria?

1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Has any Pope ever denied that "Jesus is the Christ"?

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Has any Pope ever denied that "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh"?

This is not however, to excuse those certain popes who have done or allowed exceeding wickedness upon humanity in times past.

HankD

[ March 11, 2002, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: HankD ]

 

HankD,
Thank you for that well-stated post and for taking a fair and logical stance in regard to the Catholic Church. You just gave me a valuable lesson in Catholic apologetics concerning this topic.

tulpje,
Why don't you read Hank's post and the Scripture passages quoted there, then give us documentation showing that a pope has ever taught against those passages of Holy Scripture. And, if your assertion is that all popes have been and are the anti-Christ, then you must provide documentation showing us that they have all taught against those statements about the anti-Christ in Scripture. I look forward to your reply on this subject.

Pauline

[ March 11, 2002, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: Pauline ]

 

Pauline -

She hasn't even been Lutheran for more than a year or two at most. She's been WELS for less than 4 months.

She doen't have a clue as to what her own church teaches, let alone what the Catholic Church's teachings are.

Carole

 

On behalf of Lutherans, I would like to apologize about tulpje. Just like any convert to any denomination or religion, she is a bit "over the top" at times.