And we let them do it again

What good is the written stone if it is nto written in our hearts. Too many Christians think that the 10C's are optional. Removing the stone from public display is not ungodly. Removing them from our hearts is. On the flip side, displaying them will not write them in our hearts.

 

Lady, I too feel the urge to puke when I see such things as Christians weaping over statues being removed. Symbols are just that, it's a sign of what you believe, a posting of a faith, and yet folks are acting as though they are being told to renounce Christ.

Liberism? Not even close, hold the 10c's in your heart close and live them daily, THAT should be enough of a symbol.

 

i do not know if the situation is a huge problem, but i do take issue with how you have the indifference to the value of the words of God written on the stones that will be removed. you say take a sledge hammer and break it up as if you do not care that the law has brought people to Christ by conviction. you don't even capitalize the Lords name in some of your post.
your views seem in line with the whole world on this issue.

 

Oh goodness, if I don't cap the Lord's name in some posts it's certainly not due to a lack of love or respect for Jesus, it's simply a matter of typing error and I don't even notice it. I find it amusing that it would be pointed out though.

It's not the words on the stone I have any problems with...which is why if you paid any attention to my posts you will know that I made mention several times that those very words from God should be kept in our hearts and lived out. Having them on a slab of stone posted means little, like Johnv said, why post them if christians fail to keep them?

More so than anything, it's the reaction of the christian community over the stone being removed, it's like they care so much about this stone being up on a pedistol, I disagree with that.

 

maybe then you need to be more careful and make great effort to capitalize His name.
i have paid attention to your post and i see that you and johnv have very similar beliefs.
and Christians are being sanctified the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. instead of calling Christians hypocrites all the time and making digs because they make a stand against liberalism, why not take the biblical position of God fearing fundamental Christians?

 

Please tell me what in this post I said that is unbiblical. Put your money where your mouth is.

You jump all over someone for not capitalizing "Lord", when you can't even capitalize a sentence, let alone my name. Talk about hypocrasy and finger pointing in action...

All you're good at is calling someone who doesn't agree with you a "liberal", yet there nothing I've posted here in this thread is unbiblical or remotely "liberal".

 

As much as I hate to see it removed in one hand, in the other, I think "what if it was Muslim scripture up on that tablet?"...

While, I agree, our nation was built on the basis of Christian morals, and I agree they should stay in our court systems, I don't agree with having Scripture out in front of our courts.

-Michael

 

Once again, what capping the Lord's name has to do with this topic is beyond me except a pet peve to an individual on the board. If you insist on calling me liberal for my viewpoint should I also lower to the level of calling you legalistic?

I don't ask you to agree with me and certainly don't put you down or call you a hypocrite for having a different stand. I simply state my position on the issue.

 

the above post was not to you it was to onestand, it mentioned that he/she has similar beliefs as you do. please get it straight, here is the post>>>>

one thing is true, and that is i do see error in your post and i am troubled by your mentioning of Christian hypocrisy in alot of your post.
and if and when i see something unbiblical i will be sure to point it out, i have an obligation to warn of error as all Christians do.
now maybe you can take my previous post point by point and show me how that relates to your response please put your money where your mouth is.

 

ZeroTX, this section of the board is for Baptists only to post. I do not see Baptist in your profile.

Regarding the comments on this subject: It's a sad day when "Christians" and "Baptists" align themselves with the atheists and godless no matter what the issue. No wonder our country is on a roller coaster to hell with moral decay and decline.

 

The removal of the 10 Commandments themselves does not bother me as much as the fact that we are changing this country to better fit the lack of religious beliefs of a ver few.

This bothers me like it bothered me when GWBush took down the plaque from the Texas Supreme Court Building dedicating the building to the Confederate Veterans who had lost their lives for the cost.

It bothers me that people are willing to erase vital parts of our history and heritage just because a few people don't like or believe it.

It bothers me that there is so much clamour for the separation of church and state and the federal government not endorsing any religion when in fact the Constitution says nothing to that effect.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

That doesn't say anything about putting up monuments with the 10 Commandments or any other symbols of our religious, cultural, and moral heritage.

With these monuments, no one is being forced to convert to any religion. I just don't get why we are so willing to bend over backwards to appease so very few people when we are the ones who have the vast majority in this country and we recognize that our heritage is being cast out into the garbage with everything that these people do.

I am not bothered so much that this country is not looking more toward God because this is a worldly place. I am bothered that we being the majority don't have the backbones to stand up for what we know is right and the Almighty Name that our founding fathers fought under in our war for indepedence.

Let's take back our country.

 

What nobody here has mentioned is that it might just do the Christians in this country some good to have this kind of thing happen. The early church THRIVED under persecution. There was a day when 3000 plus people a day were added to the church. When the church moved out of Jerusalem it moved into pagan cities and from Jews to Gentiles who did not have the Ten Commandments posted publicly in their pagan temples. They lived in a society in which Christians were persecuted, beaten, and killed, accused of all manner of things falsely, and still God added to church daily in large numbers.

Perhaps it is high time for this to happen as a wake up call to the church that it has spent so much time "Christianizing" this nation with religious symbols on every public building and screaming about the principles of the founding fathers that we've, like the church at Ephesus who was doctrinally sound and even ethically right had left their first love, grown complacent. We're more concerned with "self" than "sin," more concerned with "symbols" that "salvation."

God is still God, and He has a habit of doing great things when the church is persecuted. Rather than holding on to 2 ton monuments of the Ten Commandments and what they symbolize, and, yes, for the record, I would very much like for them to stay, we'd do a little better to live more like the early church. While I certainly appreciate the symbolism of these monuments, I can't help but believe they've served to breed complacency into an already doctrinally anemic generation or two of believers in this nation.

Rather than depending on the Ten Commandments and monuments to the faith of our fathers, we'd do best to realize that our relationship is with the Living God, not the Founding Fathers. The early church thrived under the most severe persecutions, and the gospel spread WITHOUT reference or monuments to Christianity when it left Jerusalem. In fact, if you read Acts, it was the persecuation that began with the stoning of Peter that God used to get His people out of Jerusalem and spread the gospel to the rest of the known world. Rather than whining at home, we'd be best to pay more attention to what God is trying to do around us if we'd only open our myopic eyes.

Scripture is clear. The people of God are always going to be in the minority in any generation. That doesn't mean we should be complacent, but it doesn't mean we should get all in a tizzy and act like the world has come to an end over such events. Let what they do to these monuments stand as a testimony against them. I suspect that, in part, their removal is also a testament against us anyway.

 

Gene,

You said exactly what I feel.

Actually the point of the whole thread was saying Satan won this battle, frankly I believe God won it by not allowing the stone to remain.

I'm curious what our country would be like if christians showed up on court steps on their knees weaping for lost souls and for the restoration of our nation, like they wept for the 10 C's to stay.

I'll personally take a stand on those same court steps if the government EVER attempts to take my children away for teaching them about Jesus, that is something I feel is worth standing up and shouting HEY YOU WILL NOT DO THAT!! Issues of the like I am more than willing to unashamedly stand against but deep in my heart I just do not find any purpose in pushing for a tablet with words on it stating something I believe in JUST because it's "Christianizing" the government which is already corrupt.

 

Exactly.

People are upset because they've grown up in a society full of religious symbols. What we've forgotten is church history. We've read up on American history at the expense of church history. American Christians in general are better at the history of their nation, but we've made church history something that only college students and seminary students study. What I'd give for churches that have discipleship training to spend a fall or spring semester of discipleship training in church history. There is a lot to be learned.

I can't help but think that we've forgotten that before the Founding Fathers there was an entire Protestant Reformation that did away with religious iconography for good reason. The most deadened times in the history of Christianity are the times when religious imagery littered the landscape. Historically, when religious imagery abounds, the church is at its most complacent, its most apostate. I'm not rejoicing over actions like we're seeing today, but I'm certainly not crying over it either. If anything, it drives me to God's throne in prayer for this nation. If this is what it takes to get Christians off their feet and on their knees, then sobeit. However, I fear some are too busy praying for lost monuments and not for lost souls.

 

The young do not understand. It is not about "praying over lost monuments." Far from it.

 

Attacking somebody's age is called an ad hom attack. The statement above qualifies as an indirect ad hom and fully on "poisoning the well," by alleging that, because a person is younger than you, they understand less. Please refrain from using fallacies of argumentation to make your points.

The fact that you feel some strange compulsion to read persons' profiles and make such statements says something about your character. If the best you can muster is a comment about another's age, then all you are showing us that you can use fallacies of argumentation. Please stick to the content of person's posts not the content of person's profiles.

 

"praying over lost monuments" is not an ad hom attack? It is alleging that because a person is upset over seeing religious monuments and symbols torn down in our country, they are worshipping those icons rather than Who they stand for and the Christian heritage of this Country. Next, I suppose you will deny the Judeo-Christian heritage of America.

Speaking of profiles, I used to be a member of your church. Now would you like to stop this? Mark Corts was the pastor then. And a wonderful pastor, too, a real man of God. He would have never promoted some of the ideologies I've seen in some of your posts.

Actually it is one of my responsibilities as one of the Mods on this board, to read profiles.

 

I don't care if you used to be a member of my church or not. Call Al Gilbert, call Dr. Corts if you wish. I remind you, Dr. Corts supported, in open convention, the desire of Wake Forest University to leave the NC Baptist State Convention. What is that a threat? How strange.

No, the above comment is not an ad hom.

Poisoning the well - Presenting negative information about a person before he/she speaks so as to discredit the person's argument.

Ad hominim - Attacking the individual instead of the argument.

I never made an attack on any individual here. You did, by mentioning my age. Looking at the above information, I'd say you're guilty moreso of poisoning the well than ad hom.

I stand by what I've written. If you wish to call my church and complain, then you know the phone number. You may be a moderator on this board. You are not the moderator of this forum. If you have a problem with anything I've written, then take it to an admin.

I've made just over 20 posts here, madam. What "ideologies" are you talking about?

 

Do not allow others to put you down because you are young, but be an example....paraphrased and unsure where it's found at the moment but I do know this scripture is found in the bible. Sometimes the young tend to be wiser than the old, a lesson my grandad taught me.

Nonetheless, age is irrelivant to this topic, I'm not wiseless concerning this issue and I do understand why people are upset over the removal of the statue...but fact is the foundation and purpose behind the statue doesn't need to cease because the ten commandments on a stone have been taken down from view.

Open spoken outloud prayer was taken from school but students remain christians and they still hold bible studies and they still pray and make their beliefs known in how they go about their daily school activities.

Basically in a way I feel christians need to move on and press forward.

 

Yes. We Christians are often hypocritical in our actions, judgements, and thoughts. As a Christian, I find it imperative that we deal with the logs in our own eyes when discussing the specks in others.

And I, too, have an obligation to point out our own errors of hypocracy. A broken leg cannot serve a healthy ox.

You have yet to point out any unbiblical or "liberal" points of mine in this thread. BTW, I'm sure you'd agree that if something is of a biblical position, it should not be discarded simply because a liberal position also agrees with it.