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And we let them do it again

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Jailminister, May 17, 2004.

  1. onestand

    onestand New Member

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    I don't believe the display of the ten commandments will be or has been a step towards righteousness in our nation. That is literally relying on a slab of stone to be the inspiration when in fact the driven purpose should soley be Jesus Christ himself. Regardless of the presence or absence of the display, our nation will continue to see a down hill spiral even as it did when the ten commandments were posted.

    The reason people are so up in arms about this is because Christians get madd when their rights are violated or taken away (as does anyone get angry when this happens).

    My point in case is, how can we expect a corrupt world lead and governed by a corrupt government to realize the need for Jesus and biblical standards to be kept throughout our schools, work and homes by simply keeping a stone posted? You do realize that even if the the 10 commandments were allowed to remain, it wouldn't be because the government or world is heading in the right direction or there is revivial in the land but because too many loud christians screamed loud enough that they basically wanted to shut them up.

    The change, the revival, the right direction MUST remain in the beleivers, not a symbol.
     
  2. Jailminister

    Jailminister New Member

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    Onestand. Your reasoning is so off, that it is hard to know where to start. When we had a government that respected the word of God, we had less problems. We were pleased and blessed by displaying the 10 comandments. It showed the stranger and the citizens how we were governed. That is what we have now trying to destroy. I have said this many many times. It is not about the stones it is about the hatred of the word of God. That is what we are standing for. If a few of us don't stand and shout like God told us to do, then it will not be long untill you quite mousy ones will have no place to crawl.
     
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    Amen, preach it, Jailminister! [​IMG]
     
  4. Johnv

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    Am I the only one who noticed that the 10C's on this momument are incorrectly displayed in the first place? I pointed it out previously, but no one else seemed to notice.
     
  5. JeffM

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    Though I don't believe in worshipping stone monuments, I believe they are an outward expression and testimony of what we believe in our hearts.

    It's all ceremony. As Christians, we display such things to publically declare our faith, just as we do when we are saved and Baptized. It's a physical manifestation of a our convenant with God.

    I see the removal as an outward expression of the God-haters to try to erase God from society. By their actions, it reveals the darkness of their hearts.

    Everything in society and culture starts on the fringe and moves it's way in to the norm.

    It will only be a matter of time before there is nothing left of God to destroy but his people. We are witnessing only the beginning of what is to come. Remember, it's only the fringe right now.

    That is how I look at the removal of the any thing related to Christianity in the public arena. Just wait until there is nothing left in the public to take down. Then it will progress into our homes, and they will use "safety of the children" to accomplish this.

    Canada has already began the process of banning the Bible because it contains "hate speech" towards homosexuals (pushed through by a homosexual). They are already telling Christian parents they cannot use the Bible to teach their children because of this so called hate speech.

    Get ready folks.
     
  6. onestand

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    Jail,

    Fact is, even when the 10 commandments were up the world was going down hill.

    I'm not a quiet mousy person. When I see a ligitimate reason to take a stand I will certainly do so, however, I don't see the removal as a solid purpose to raise a stink. My love for God does not change in any form and frankly if I'm gonna fight for something it's going to be on my knees in prayer over someone I see who needs Jesus or who is struggling.

    It would be grand to see society accept our faith in Jesus and be willing to post testimonial statues or what have you, but when it comes down to it we have to realize that's just not going to happen and with living in the days we're living in (last days in my opinion) I don't feel we have time to fight over this sort of thing but rather use that time wisely in seeing others enter into a personal relationship with Jesus.

    I'm not in any way a God hater or Word of God hater but put it in this perspective, if you had the choice to fight a battle for lost souls or fight a battle for a 10 commandments statue being displayed....which would you choose?
     
  7. onestand

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    Jeff,

    that's exactly what i was talking about in an earlier post, there will be a day i'm sure we'll see when we aren't allowed to read the bible.

    Have the Word hidden in your heart.
     
  8. Jailminister

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    Onestand said
    Why does it have to be an either/or. Both can be done at the same time. It was once in our country and it could be again. You say that things have gotten worst even with the monuments displayed. Yes that is correct, but ask yourself why things have gotten worst. It is because we do not honor the God of the commandments any longer. It started in 1960 with the election of a whoremongering, whisky drummer catholic as president of the USA. God said, well if that is what you want then go ahead and see what will happen. 1962 We lost prayer in schools followed by removal of the bible. We had the Viet nam war(the first war this country ever lost), we had the hippie movement which was a mix of drugs, illicit sex and rebellion against God's order for decency and authority. We had scandals after scandals in our government that just a fews years earlier(1954) had made our national motto "In God We Trust". We then allow the legalization of murder of unborn children. We still have more corruption in our government. We elected a man to office who claims to be a baptist and a Christian, but what he does tarnishes the office of the president and is applauded by many as a good man who has a little problem(Clinton). We now have a president who claims to be a Christian, but has gone into another country and trying to make that country into what this country has become. We have preachers and evangelist that are hirlings, they are like dumb dogs that can't bark.
    Can we be witnesses for Christ and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, calling sinners to repentance and at the same time rebuke a government out of control. Yes, we can and should do both. If we do not then we are not worthy to be called "sons of God".
     
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    Jailminister;
    AMEN! and AMEN!!!!! [​IMG]
    Jim
     
  10. Johnv

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    Certainly. The Ten Commandments monument can be displayed in public view by a private group. In fact, in regards to the monment in question on this thread, the plans are for that monument to be sold to a private organization that will display it publicly.
     
  11. Jailminister

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    So in other words, what you are saying, is that the people should just ignore the acknowledgement of God in public. I SAY NO!! That is how we got in this mess we are in now. We need to go back to the time when we honor God as a nation, what you are advocating is just the opposite.
     
  12. onestand

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    Jail,

    You completely missed my point....I was saying IF you HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE between fighting for a statue or fighting for souls...which would it be.

    The day that symbolism of Christianity is more than or equal to the struggle for lost souls is here and I find that so sad. Just because a statue is down to people means standards must be as well....I say it doesn't have to be that way.
     
  13. Jailminister

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    onestand, you missed the point. You can do both. In fact you must do both.
     
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    Jail,

    The question wasn't if you can do both, the question was if you HAD to make a choice...so you still didn't answer it, but whatever.

    I think we're pretty much going to just disagree on the topic.
     
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